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3/13 in SF: Hundreds March for Palestinians

by Peace March Shoes
San Francisco had an inspiring milestone march of hundreds of people of all ages and ethnicities for the Palestinians on March 13, 2002 from Powell and Market to North Beach and back. The very idea of demonstrating for Palestinians and demanding the end to US aid to Israel is a milestone in the peace movement in this country.
San Francisco had an inspiring milestone march of hundreds of people of all ages and ethnicities for the Palestinians on March 13, 2002 from Powell and Market to North Beach and back. The very idea of demonstrating for Palestinians and demanding the end to US aid to Israel is a milestone in the peace movement in this country.

The last time this writer remembers marching on Columbus Ave was for our women's Take Back the Night marches in the 1970s, so it was good to be part of a demonstration in North Beach once again, this time with the generation that was born in the 1970s and later. They were inspiring and ready for all the chants, in full voice with flags waving!

We had a wide variety of visual symbols and informative signs from the beautifully embroidered clothing of the Palestinian women to the black and white scarves that now symbolize the Palestinian liberation struggle to the red, green, black and white Palestinian flag and our political posters.

Our chants reflected our different political origins: "Hitler rose and Hitler fell; Bush and Sharon, Go to Hell;" "Bush, Sharon, You Can't Hide, We Charge You With Genocide;" "No Justice, No Peace, US Out of the Middle East;" "Stop Israeli Terrorism, End the Occupation Now;" "No US Aid to Israel;" "USA, Israel Stop Killing Palestinian Children;" and many more. I think we should add for the next march: "Democrats, Republicans, No More Tax Dollars to Israel."

We handed out informational leaflets which contains information that can be found at:
http://www.electronicintifada.net
http://www.palestinercs.org
http://www.palestinedaily.com
http://www.wrmea.com/html/palestine_israel_news.htm

For everyone's information team: We must always remember that Ariel Sharon does only what George War Bush and the capitalist ruling class tell him to do as Israel is a junior partner to US oil imperialism and the so-called "Israel lobby" is the US government. Israel does not exist for one second without US tax dollars. The US government does not care about Jews at all and is in fact a bastion of anti-Semitism, especially George War Bush and his Nazi friends. The name of the game is always money and in the Middle East, that means O-I-L.

The peace movement will be having a huge demonstration on April 20, 2002, starting from Dolores Park, 18th and Church, San Francisco (near 16th St BART) at 11 a.m. and marching to the Civic Center . The Palestinian liberation struggle is certainly a part of the peace movement, and we urge everyone to be at that demonstration. This is the West Coast counterpart to a March on Washington that same day. The demands are:
No New War Against Iraq; End the Sanctions Now [against Iraq]; Stop US/Israel Repression of the Palestinian People; Defend Civil Rights and Immigrants Rights; End Racial Profiling; Stop Funding the Pentagon Budget; US Troops Out of the Philippines, Columbia, Korea, Yemen; Money for Jobs, Schools, Housing, Healthcare and Social Programs; Defend Women's Right to Choose [Abortion]; Equal Rights for Lesbian, Gay, Bi Trans People; Workers Rights Yes, Corporate Giveaways No; Self-Determination, not US Domination.

For more information and to participate in organizing, see http://www.iacenter.org or http://wwwinternationalanswer.org, or Email answer [at] actionsfbay.org or call 415/821-6545, or go to 2489 Mission, 324, San Francisco, CA 94110
by FREE PALESTINE
Most of the support for 'Israel' comes from people who confuse Judaism with zionism and who perceive the zionists as VICTIMS.

It's important to bring to mind through distinct imagery the fact that these 'VICTIMS' are behaving the same way their nazi OPPRESSORS did.

Otherwise you're fighting a losing battle.

Most people won't look at logic while they continue to view the zionists as victims.

That's one reason why zionists fear comparisons with the nazis. Another is that zionists were COMPLICIT with the nazis. A top zionist leader during World War II was asked if some money could be used to buy the way out for Hungarian Jews. His infamous answer: 'A cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe.' It is therefore outrageous for the zionists to inherit a perception of victimization.

A couple of valuable website resources from Orthodox Jews that prove this point repeatedly:

Jews NOT Zionists
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
<a href="URL">http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
Neturei Karta
http://www.netureikarta.org
<a href="URL">http://www.netureikarta.org

Insha'Allah, I will post images that could be the basis for posters and other activities related to actions on behalf of Palestine.
by FREE PALESTINE
Most of the support for 'Israel' comes from people who confuse Judaism with zionism and who perceive the zionists as VICTIMS.

It's important to bring to mind through distinct imagery the fact that these 'VICTIMS' are behaving the same way their nazi OPPRESSORS did.

Otherwise you're fighting a losing battle.

Most people won't look at logic while they continue to view the zionists as victims.

That's one reason why zionists fear comparisons with the nazis. Another is that zionists were COMPLICIT with the nazis. A top zionist leader during World War II was asked if some money could be used to buy the way out for Hungarian Jews. His infamous answer: 'A cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe.' It is therefore outrageous for the zionists to inherit a perception of victimization.

A couple of valuable website resources from Orthodox Jews that prove this point repeatedly:

Jews NOT Zionists
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
<a href="URL">http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
Neturei Karta
http://www.netureikarta.org
<a href="URL">http://www.netureikarta.org

Insha'Allah, I will post images that could be the basis for posters and other activities related to actions on behalf of Palestine.
by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by FREE PALESTINE
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by rpg
I can't believe US ctizens would march for the people who cheered when the WTC went down. Don't you realize they would cheer just as much if the Golden Gate Bridge or Bay Bridge got blown up too? Idiots.
by anarchist
1. Shut down the American corporate empire. Shut it down today. Shut it down through massive, widespread protests. Shut it down through a diversity of tactics. Shut it down by identifying those liberals who would sabotage this effort, and expose them for the collaborators that they are.

2. Find people there who you can support, and support them.

#1 accomplishes more goals than Palestinian solidarity.
by learn your facts
The Palestinian people are a made up people sent from other arab states which make up the arab nation meant to destroy Jews and Israel. If the arabs did not kill so many jews their would be more in the the Arab nations and if Jews were allowed to practice their religion in the Arab nations their would be more jews living in the Arab nation. I think Israel should give the so called fabricated state of Palestine back to the Lebanese and let the Palestinians try to their land back from them. Get your headline pieces which do not present the facts off of indymedia. Learn your history before you publish anti- israel pieces.
by learn your history
The Palestinian people are a made up people sent from other arab states which make up the arab nation meant to destroy Jews and Israel. If the arabs did not kill so many jews their would be more in the the Arab nations and if Jews were allowed to practice their religion in the Arab nations their would be more jews living in the Arab nation. I think Israel should give the so called fabricated state of Palestine back to the Lebanese and let the Palestinians try to their land back from them. Get your headline pieces which do not present the facts off of indymedia. Learn your history before you publish anti- israel pieces. Stop sopporting Terrorists
by learn your history
The Palestinian people are a made up people sent from other arab states which make up the arab nation meant to destroy Jews and Israel. If the arabs did not kill so many jews their would be more in the the Arab nations and if Jews were allowed to practice their religion in the Arab nations their would be more jews living in the Arab nation. I think Israel should give the so called fabricated state of Palestine back to the Lebanese and let the Palestinians try to their land back from them. Get your headline pieces which do not present the facts off of indymedia. Learn your history before you publish anti- israel pieces. Stop sopporting Terrorists
by veritas
We ought to face squarely the origins of the Palestinian descent into barbarism. In July 2000, Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak made a peace offer that stunned Israel and the world: Israel would re-divide Jerusalem -- would turn over large pieces of its ancient capital to the same people who had destroyed its synagogues, desecrated its cemeteries, and banned Jews from entering when they last ran the show. Arafat rejected the offer. Then in September 2000 the new wave of murderous violence began, supposedly triggered by Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount.

In short, the Palestinian response to Israel's generous peace offer was, "Drop dead." How could that possibly have happened? A trick question -- because the obvious but wrong answer is so close to the right one that it's hard to tune the right one in. You have to fiddle the dial back and forth. Yet the difference between the two is crucial. The "lesson of appeasement" is not that appeasement is futile. Appeasement is not futile, it is dangerous. Israel's enemies claim that Israel herself provoked the ongoing Palestinian pogrom, and in a sense they might well be right. Outlaws interpret an openhanded offer as weakness, not generosity. They interpret weakness as an incitement to violence. You can goad a dangerous animal to attack by threatening or by shrinking back. Unless you want to fight, the only safe maneuver is to stand still.

Everyone knows about Munich, September 1938: Britain and France generously donate a big slice of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, in exchange for "peace with honor," "peace in our time," and the Brooklyn Bridge. Many people know about the Kristallnacht pogrom, November 1938: Germany's approach to the Jews turns from mere oppression to bloodthirsty violence. Kristallnacht was "triggered" by the murder of a German diplomat by a deranged Jew. But some (not all) historians point out the obvious: A leading cause of Kristallnacht was Munich itself. Hitler read the Munich agreements as a proclamation by England and France stating: "We are weak; you have nothing to fear; do what you like." Appeasement doesn't merely fail to prevent catastrophe, it provokes catastrophe.

The analogy is not close, just close enough. Israel is no Czechoslovakia and was not sold down the river. Barak made his offer freely and in good faith. But to a significant number of Palestinians, the offer obviously said: "We are weak; you have nothing to fear; attack." Appeasement doesn't merely fail to prevent catastrophe, it provokes catastrophe.

Now everything has changed, and we are only gradually coming to grips with the implications. Evidently the whole world is outraged by Israeli settlements on the West Bank. Even before the new violence, the world's outrage was hard to swallow. Some Israelis live among Arabs in settlements on the West Bank, some Arabs live among Jews in "settlements" (otherwise known as towns and cities) in Israel proper. What's the difference? The Israeli settlements are new, the Arab ones old. But if old settlements are legitimate and new ones aren't, what are all those mosques doing on the Temple Mount? Some European journalists refer to the great Temple Mount plaza as the "supposed" site of ancient Israel's holy temple -- as in, "that beat-up white shell on the hill in mid-Athens is supposedly the 'Parthenon.'" The plaza was expanded to its current enormous size by King Herod of Judea during the final years of the last century B.C.E. During the peace talks two thousand years later, in July 2000, a Palestinian negotiator helpfully explained why Barak's offer of control but not legal sovereignty over the Mount had been rejected: "We can't sell our Haram to the Jews," even though (he forgot to add) they built it. (Arabs refer to the Temple Mount as the Haram.)

"New" and "old" depend on your point of view. Jews have as much right as anyone to settle on the West Bank. But it long seemed to me (as to many other American Jews) that, leaving right and wrong out of it, the settlements were causing Israel more grief than they were worth and ought to be stopped. But everything has changed. Who in his right mind could still believe today that to stop building new settlements (or even to abandon old ones) would appease the Palestinians? On the contrary: Such a move is likely to be dangerous, as Barak's offer turned out to be. Palestinians don't want to live peaceably among Israelis.

We now know what Palestinians want, and what they think of Israelis. After all, what exactly is the point of sending killers to massacre children at random? What do you accomplish? You impose hatred. You ask Israel, in effect: What do we need to do to make you all (not some of you; everyone) hate us? To make you unable to look at a Palestinian without revulsion? To force you eventually to take the terrible step of setting up enclaves where Arabs are banned? Palestinians don't want to live peaceably among Israelis; the natural conclusion is that they think about Israelis as they choose for Israelis to think about them.

Everything has changed, including (for many of us) our ideas about Islam. We ought to have paid more attention to the latest developments. We now learn that suicide bombers are told to expect a heaven full of comely virgins as their next assignment. To the suicide-murderers, those waiting virgins are real as dirt. The killers call themselves "martyrs," but in their own minds they are the next thing to sex criminals. "Pardon me, sir or madam, do you know why I plan to murder your child? Because the authorities are offering me great sex -- and, after all, I don't get many opportunities."

People who think this way are shielded from view, up to a point, by their own sheer evil. They are painful to contemplate. We instinctively look away, as we do whenever we are confronted with monstrous deformity. Nothing is harder or more frightening to look at than a fellow human who is bent out of shape. And moral deformity is the most frightening kind by far. How can Muslims of good faith allow such people to call themselves Muslim? But they do allow it. What does that mean? And is it possible that we have located here, in this inspiring vision of heaven as a whorehouse, the most loathsome idea in the history of human thought? This is the civilization that condemns "licentious" America?

And what is Israel to do? Kill terrorists? Lock up incipient terrorists? Fine, but not enough. Develop the Palestinian opposition also. People who say there is none can't be serious. Among all those mothers and fathers of children who have become suicide-murderers, not one? Not one who believes: "The 'leaders' who did this to my child must be stopped"? Of course you don't dare say such things in the territories. But surely (one optimistically assures oneself), Israeli intelligence could locate a few such families if it tried, and if they were removed to safe ground and protected. "Safe ground" couldn't be Israel or America, or the credibility of this new opposition would be fatally compromised. But it could be Europe. (Khomeini preached the Iranian revolution from France.) Those few families would be mere people, not "leaders," not politicians. But prospective leaders and politicians would come. Being (as a rule) without passion themselves, they are drawn by passion. The Palestinian leadership would try hard to silence these families and their followers, but the message would get through: Our barbaric leadership is destroying us.

But what of Europe? Not long ago I picked up a copy of Le Monde, which reports on the recent meeting where work was started on a constitution for Europe -- the goal being to allow Europe to campaign, as the equal of any great power, "pour affirmer ses valeurs," to assert its values; and you can't help but wonder, exactly what "valeurs" are we talking about? Indifference? Complacency? Spiritual exhaustion? "European values" (certainly "French values") has come to sound like "Palestinian moderates" -- a contradiction in terms. To any instance of Western man -- American or not, Jew or gentile, male or female -- Europe's spiritual collapse is heartbreaking. It is strange but true that the only European country one can picture (by the remotest stretch of the imagination) cooperating on the sly with Israel to help create a Palestinian opposition is Germany - or maybe, if the Untied States made an issue of it, Britain.

THERE ARE LARGER questions about Israel's role in the World that have been pressing for years, but nowadays seem to grow more acute by the hour. The axioms that underpinned Zionism have been turned inside out. Modern Israel was conceived as a safe haven for Jews. It had other reasons for existing -- but safety, and the dignity that only comes with safety, were Zionism's emotional mainsprings. In recent decades, though, especially sine the end of Soviet tyranny, the safe-haven idea has lost cogency like an unwound watch running down. In the last few years, Israel has started to look (on the contrary) like the most dangerous place for the Jews in the world -- if we exclude the small Jewish communities that still exist in Arab countries. Israel must change the way in which it explains itself. (Yoram Hazony made essentially this claim in his seminal "The Jewish State" of 2000.)

When we look at Israel today, it is crucial that we not allow Palestinian barbarism to distract us from another part of this picture: the everyday heroism that lights the whole place up from end to end. A large proportion of Israelis have relatives or connections abroad, mainly in the United States, and they could run to safety if they wanted to. Who would blame them? Who would even have the theoretical right to blame them? But overwhelmingly they have chosen to stay and stand fast. The whole population, man, woman, and child, is holding (is refusing to abandon) a dangerous forward position under fire. It's hard for Israelis to praise Israeli courage, but Americans ought to.

Why do they do it? Partly for powerful negative reasons. It isn't easy to leave home; and many Israelis are determined that Jews will never again be driven from their homes into alien lands by thug mobs. But there is more to Israel than resolve in the face of a uniquely tragic history. Israel still pays its way using the world's only emotional currency denominated entirely in negative numbers. It needs a new currency with positive markings.Israeli thinkers have talked enough desert; it is time to talk lava.

Israeli thinkers ought to speak less about the tragedy (or the ordinariness) of Israel's 3,000-year history, and more about its luminous greatness; ought to talk up the nation's brilliant prospects, and the central role it has played from Moses to Wittgenstein in creating and molding Western civilization. They don't like to talk this way, but they ought to steel themselves and do it anyway. "The Jew is a desert region," Wittgenstein wrote, "but underneath its thin layer of rock lies the molten lava of spirit and intellect." Israeli thinkers have talked enough desert; it is time to talk lava. Much of the world is at a spiritual lowpoint right now, dragging its belly on the ground. Israel has known before what to do about that. Israel has addressed the whole world and wrought spiritual revolutions, and ought to do it again now.




by anon
I think your description of nessie is apt. I noticed that he had to reply with an attack.

I think you're onto a good point when you tease out the difference, as you put it, "between white racism/settler states and national liberation struggles".

And, certainly, while all states might suck, some suck worse than others. To a Palestinian, Israel REALLY sucks (it's trying to kill them) whereas a Palestinian state might suck a lot less (it might only try to rob them (Palestinians) of their labor).
by clue me in here
as long as they don't also kill you? Is that what you're saying?

While you're at it, please explain why the "national liberation" struggle of the Zionists didn't turn out later to be a benifit to the world.
by tom
"...and returning the zionists to their homelands"

That's right. Return the zionists to their homeland which IS the state of Israel. Ending the "occupation" wouldn't really fulfill that request now would it?

Looks like your a zionist and you didn't even know it.
Kudos!
by tom
"...and returning the zionists to their homelands"

That's right. Return the zionists to their homeland which IS the state of Israel. Ending the "occupation" wouldn't really fulfill that request now would it?

Looks like your a zionist and you didn't even know it.
Kudos!
by tom
"...and returning the zionists to their homelands"

That's right. Return the zionists to their homeland which IS the state of Israel. Ending the "occupation" wouldn't really fulfill that request now would it?

Looks like your a zionist and you didn't even know it.
Kudos!
by American
Yes, shut down the American empire and set this world into a deep depression that could never be recovered from. Aren't we smart...
by lep (lilep666 [at] yahoo.com)
come on, he's not even pointing the gun at them!
most likely he's just telling them to calm down.
i'm so sick of u and ur propoganda of lies.
it's palestinians that kill israeli citizens, not the contrary!
by Josh
whoever put this one up is an idiot, thats not a nazi salute you idiot, i mean its just a picute taken out of context and upse for bad propaganda.
by fff
"The zionists must LEAVE Palestine and RETURN to their homelands"

They are home, Israel is their home. The "Palestinians" should return to the Arab states that they came from just like the Arabs in Africa.

Arab colonists outo f Sudan! Morrocco! Libya! Chad! Egypt!
by X
This footnote is clearly a lie! you can clearly see that he is pointing. The author is obviously blind.
by Tim
phew, luckily this parade of antisemites and pseudo-leftist (that is because no one of you showed any theoretical background beside some idiotic anti-israel leaflets or some excerpts of the mass-media you claim should not be trusted) morons here doesn't have guns and/or guts. the idf, however, luckily has. this whole discussion is pointless and irrelevant. israel WILL stay, as place of refuge for jews after the shoa. nothing will change this (at least until we got rid of capitalism which necessarily reproduces antisemitism, as you would know if you had background, but ok), if you don't advocate the use of weapons of mass destruction on it. so go on and waste your time debating, however I am going to the ice parlor now.

and please learn your facts, but most of you guys are probably still in school or so stoned that it wouldn't make a difference if you were actually adult.

For zionism.
For communism.
Deutschland halt's Maul.

And no, I wouldn't vote sharon.
by Critical Thinker
Be that as it may, it's indisputable that the great leftist Stalin (to name just one example) reproduced anti-Semitism too.
Jews had been accused by Communists that they were capitalist filth and exploitationist, etc, whereas capitalists accused them of being a Bolshevik fifth column.

So, the problem is far more complex than you suppose.
by Isra-Hell
Hey you bunch of fascist zionists, is this what you call non-rascist reasoning?:

"Everything has changed, including (for many of us) our ideas about Islam. We ought to have paid more attention to the latest developments. We now learn that suicide bombers are told to expect a heaven full of comely virgins as their next assignment. To the suicide-murderers, those waiting virgins are real as dirt. The killers call themselves "martyrs," but in their own minds they are the next thing to sex criminals. "Pardon me, sir or madam, do you know why I plan to murder your child? Because the authorities are offering me great sex -- and, after all, I don't get many opportunities."

Soooo, all muslims are so lustful that they all are suicide bombers? Then why have they not disappeared from this planet by blowing themselves up to the nearest "infidel"?
Is this not rascism?

And by the way, what the hell did you Israelis do in the Talumud to be so pitied? You conducted wholesale massacres of "infidels" - you were, and are predominantly nazi. You think so called "two centuries of suffering" could justify murders commited in the age of Moses, let alone now? Dream on, cowardly shouters of "anti-semite!" slogan. Only the few jews are bastions of their true faith.

Next time, if I say the murderers of Chirst were romans and jews, you will call me anti-semite!
If I say Jesus' suffering is admirable, then you would call me anti-semmite~!

And you, ignorant americans: you think sept-11th is horrible? You get blown up instantly - la voila! Butd do you not relize that the Israeli fascists used the same tortures used by your fascist troops at Abu Gahrib prison? And did you know that Palestinian lives are next to nothing for Israelis? They have no legal protection, no suffrange, no social/economic benefits such as running water, electricity education, roads you name it. And do you also relize that you are building up a hatred of the Muslim world against you damn nation by supporting this terrorist israelhell!?

Israel = God Prevails: This conuntry does not exist
Israhell = Hell Prevails : This country DOES exist
by Critical Thinker
If you're gonna post firebreathing racist tirades, at least get your spelling correct.
by anarchist
The USSR was a capitalist state. It practiced state monoply, rather than private monopoly, capitalism, but it practiced capitalism nonetheless. The USSR was really the USSR Inc., one big company town.
by Ahmed ibn Kaled
Hi everybody, my name is Ahmed, I just want to tell you some things. This message is a response to all messages in general.
Note: this points are not in specific order.
1.Arab.- The people that live in Arabia, the one in Irak are Irakies, the ones in Egypt are Egytians,etc, etc.
2. Muslim.- Religion, people who follows this are muslims, they read and study the Koran.
1.Jewish.- Religion, people who follows the Jewish religion are Jewish people. They read the Bible (Antique Testament) and are suppossed to followed the 10 commandemnts (Laws of Mosses). Like in any other religion there are Ortodox, Conservative, Secular and Reformist but Jewish religion accepts all of this.
2.Zionist.- Is not a religion but a movement. This movement says there must be a land for Jewish, and tries to bring Jews to Israel. So not all of the Jewish are Zionist.
3.Nazi.- Originally this people were part of the Nazionlsotialistcsher Arbet Partei (sorry if I didnt write it correctly). When Hitler was the leather the Nazi became racist (or even before), they wanted that German was full only with German white protestant people. They didnt want uncapable people, they didnt want gypsys, jews, blacks, homosexuals, and if they (Nazis and Hitler) would have come to Latinamerica they wouldnt have liked latins, and if they would have come to the arab world, they wouldnt have liked arabs.
Now that it is written down, Jewish are not Nazis, Zionist are not Nazis, not all Jewish are Zionist, Nazis are not Jewish.
Ok now talking about history:
Who was the first Jew? Abraham
Who was "the first" Christian? Jesus (some say he lived and died as Jew) I need to research this.
Who was the first Muslim? Mahoma, ok Ismael was the Son of Abraham and from Ismael decent all arabs, right???
So who were the first of being in Israel (Palestines)?? Jews, and according to the Bible this Jews were Palestinians so I dont know why actual Palestinians call theirselves Palestinians, anyway.
Now, the Palestinians terrorist teach their children (little kids and babys to hate Jewish and Israelis).
In the news we have seen that even Plaestinian girls and women have exploded in terrorist atacks, so thats why the Israeli Army act like that, because they can't be confident in Palestinians, because if they see that even women an children carry bombs waht can they expect??
Israeli Army is going to defend (Israel DEFENSE Forces) its people and its country. they erspond to the terrorists.
Palestinans terrorist are not supported by the muslim and the arab world, I dont mean financial, why all the arab and muslim countries dont accept that all Palestinians go to their countries to live. After WWII Jewish faught against England to have a country not the Palestinians.
When the UN devided Israel in 2 parts, one for Jewish and Isrelis and the other for Palestinians, Palestinians didnt accept it, why not if they had a country too. Ok, they, as Jewish have also the right to have a country, but it was their fault for not accepting this declaration, not Jewish.
I am not agree with Sharon, and I am not agre with Bush, but I am not agree with Bin Laden, with Saddam and with Arafat neither.
I think Palestinians and Israelis are sick of this, terrorism have to stop but they have to stop by themselves. It must be shamed for muslims that terrorists are confusing JIHAD with terrorist attacks. I understand that Jihad is also to defend not to attack.
One more thing, what happen to those people who were born in Israel (not the ocuppied territories) and are muslims, they are Muslims Israelies, and they should have the same rights as Jewish Israelies, thats why there are muslim (arab) senators (politic men) in the Israeli parlament. (Kneset)
The wall that the Israeli Army is building is to defend Israelis from terrorist attacks not to affect Palestinians. (Israeli Army are not terrorist, they are defending).
I have talked to Palestinians and Isralies in different times, and they both are nice people, and they have told me that they want peace.
I dont know what else to say but to wish Salaam (PEACE) to both Palestinians and Isrealies.
Thanks for reading this.
P.S. Sorry if I had misspelling errors or gramatic or whatever.
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