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9/11 was a hoax
Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.
Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.
9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:
- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.
Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history.
None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.
Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.
Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.
- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.
What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.
The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.
- FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.
Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.
In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.
- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?
Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries.
Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?
- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.
In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.
The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.
- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.
This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.
- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.
Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.
The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.
- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.
No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.
- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.
It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.
- The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling fromthe sky.
- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.
These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.
- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.
These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder.
Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.
Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.
Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.
- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?
And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?
- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination?
Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?
- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?
- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?
- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?
Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq.
But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.
What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.
History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.
Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq.
Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.
But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.
If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.
9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:
- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.
Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history.
None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.
Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.
Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.
- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.
What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.
The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.
- FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.
Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.
In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.
- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?
Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries.
Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?
- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.
In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.
The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.
- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.
This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.
- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.
Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.
The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.
- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.
No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.
- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.
It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.
- The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling fromthe sky.
- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.
These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.
- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.
These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder.
Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.
Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.
Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.
- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?
And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?
- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination?
Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?
- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?
- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?
- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?
Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq.
But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.
What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.
History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.
Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq.
Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.
But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.
If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.
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I suggest that certain fringe groups also needed an enemy, and invented a story to accomplish their idealogical aims.
http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/attack.htm
But Kaminski *is* around the bend if he believes this tripe.
like the steel one, already commented on...or that fighters intercept things within 10 minutes. Done a lot of flying in private planes. Gone hours without talking to much of anybody, even without a flight plan and VFR. Never been intercepted by a fighter, even when next door the Edwards AFB, or China Lake. What about demonstrating that you have a clue about what happened to that "golfer"...like knowing that it was Payne Stewart, that they had missed a preplanned check in, that the plane had been flying on autopilot in a straight line for quite awhile, etc. How about a demonstration of a complete lack of understanding how and why the 2 towers collapsed based on the unique design features, especially the use of an exoskeleton to hold it up, than upon collapse, would work to hold it closer together. Or that one or two floors collapsing would put weight on each lower floor causing a cascade effect. How about that it was an intelligence lapse...government at its least effectiveness...the right information not getting to the right people in time.
And one last thing. The argument itself is inconsistent. Did we "let" this happen or did we "make" this happen? The author needs to pick one, but uses both suppositions to "prove" his point. And if we "let" this happen, why is there no blame assigned to the perpetrators? It's like saying FDR let Pearl Harbor happen, therefore the Japanese have absolutely no responsibility for attacking it.
Also, btw, it seems for all these Constitutional attacks, your right to free speech is plenty intact.
People that desseminate such insane drivel clearly do not deserve a forum with which to display their insanity.
The author must be taking way to many drugs to even think this CRAP up.
People that desseminate such insane drivel clearly do not deserve a forum with which to display their insanity.
I guess my good friend, Chris, who was travelling north on I-395 into DC on the morning of September 11, LIED to me when he told me he heard a jetliner fly no more than 100 feet above his van, then saw it crash into the Pentagon?
Hmmm, whom do I believe? A trusted friend? Or some crank at IndyMedia?
Anyone with any knowledge of the different types of FIRE knows that BLACK smoke indicates a fuel fire.
You see WHITE smoke when something that will leave an ASH (such as paper or wood) burns.
There was a lot of BLACK SMOKE coming off the towers before they collapsed.
I urge everyone to vote for this site as best humor site webbie award!
And all the king's horse, and all the weathermen, couldn't put this crackpot conspiracy back together again.
If the goverment was looking the other way, why was the plane shot down in Pennsylvania, as you suggest?
The author has a complete lack of responsibility in writing this, the editors even more as they printed this.
I recommend the author return to school, or at least start reading and actually checking out what he writes.
Truth is the first casualty of the demoguoge
If they "let" it happen, why was the plane shot down over Pennsylvania, as you suggest?
I wouldn't worry too much about it, myself. The Left is rapidly going the way of the Communists: reduced to hawking a crummy newsprint magazine on the street corner and wondering why no one pays them any attention.
http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm
run the world, aren't ya?
And your proof?
"Well we don't really have any. You see the Jews hide their
tracks so well we don't tecnhically have any proof ... which
only goes to show how sneaky and secretive they really are."
So the fact that you don't have any proof somehow proves
the J-E-W-S secretly control the world?
"Well isn't it obvious?"
Well lemme tell you something.: THIS IS THE REALITY POLICE
SPEAKING. I REPEAT, THIS IS THE REALITY POLICE SPEAKING.
WE HAVE THE HOUSE SURROUNDED. PUT YOUR COPY OF
MEIN KAMPF DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM YOUR DELUSIONS.
If so, how?
If this guy is wrong about everything, does that make the official version (also a conspiracy theory) right?
If so, how?
run the world, aren't ya?
And your proof?
"Well we don't really have any. You see the Jews hide their
tracks so well we don't tecnhically have any proof ... which
only goes to show how sneaky and secretive they really are."
So the fact that you don't have any proof somehow proves
the J-E-W-S secretly control the world?
"Well isn't it obvious?"
Well lemme tell you something.: THIS IS THE REALITY POLICE
SPEAKING. I REPEAT, THIS IS THE REALITY POLICE SPEAKING.
WE HAVE THE HOUSE SURROUNDED. PUT YOUR COPY OF
MEIN KAMPF DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM YOUR DELUSIONS.
I flew from Las Vegas to NYC with my cell phone in my pocket. While asleep I accidentally turned on my cell phone and called a friend of mine 3 times (at 3AM- he wasn't happy) while in air. So it's not only possible, I've accidentally done it- just because Professor Dewdney couldn't make a call from a Cessna in Ottowa (!) doesn't mean that applies to a flight in the US. The calls would've had to fake caller ID data, voice recogntion from loved ones, cell phone bills, and would have to have known who the people would've called in an emergency.
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/awfulsecret.html
1. “The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.”
This assertion implies that the only contributing factor to the collapse of the WTC was burning jet fuel. Multiple factors contributed to the collapse of the towers. 2/3 of the perimeter load bearing columns (the primary structural elements in the WTC) in the impact zones of the buildings was severed upon impact. One need not be a structural engineer to empirically understand that the structure of the buildings had been compromised. Fire broke out simultaneously on multiple floors throughout entire floors. The jet fuel ignited flammable materials in the building (i.e. papers, furniture, carpet…) that caused an unprecedented fire unanticipated by life safety systems. Fire suppression systems in buildings are designed to deal with localized fires, not fires that spontaneously erupt through entire floors. One also must keep in mind the difference between heat and temperature. If you burn an oak twig in a fireplace it burns at the same temperature as an oak log. The oak log emits more heat than the oak twig although they are burning at the same temperature. The amount of heat generated by the widespread fires was unquestionably enough to put the structure at risk, independent of the fact that such a large percentage of the perimeter columns were severed. I could go on but there is plenty of information out there about this. Start with http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/eagar-0112.html for an introduction.
2. “Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.”
Those fires were nowhere near being under control. I witnessed both towers ablaze from the Brooklyn Bridge and at no point did the fires abate in any way whatsoever. They in fact got worse as time went on. Before the buildings collapsed, one of the fire chiefs informed Mayor Giuliani that he believed that anyone in the impact zones and above could not be saved.
Each one of Mr. Kaminski’s comments / observations have nothing backing them up. Some sources would be nice, but there are no legitimate places to verify such outrageous paranoid assertions. The facts would just get in the way. Get a grip John.
Good question, but you assume that there is some journalistic standard applied to articles published on indymedia. In fact the "editors" are mere moderators, and have very little influence on content. Indymedia has become a joke, a parody of itself. Just look at this thread for a perfect example. Any crackpot with a conspiracy theory and a computer can become a journalist on this site, no credentials or references to relaity are required. What scares me the most is that some people come here and believe the stuff they read. What I find amusing, however, is that the authors on these threads NEVER come back and respond to any of the criticism they receive. Never.
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
"facts" in the rest of your drivel, you may already be a moron.
So if all conspiracy theories are bogus, why believe it?
• There is no "left" position regarding the role of (sections of) the U.S. government in the 9-11 attacks. I have heard almost every possible position on the issue from one or another person whom I would regard as being on "the left". Probably the majority doubt the official version but don't feel they have enough convincing evidence to propose an alternative version.
• A simple, rather plausible, conspiracy involves the hijackings being organized by the Pakistani ISI, which had strong ties to both the CIA and the Islamists -- even if the latter two didn't still have direct ties to each other. But it's going to be damned hard to get proof of any of this as long as Bush is allowed to stonewall even the tame investigative commission he allowed to be set up.
• Only an ultra-rightist or a deluded "progressive" would regard the Democratic Party as part of "the left". They didn't even put up a fight when the Bush gang stole the 2000 election from them! They're happy being the loyal "opposition".
WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICANS!!!!
This guy may have not gotten everything right but neither have you. Your rights are being eroded and you dont even care. People die and you dont care. The world stands on the brink of world war and you dont care. You are too sheltered to see it. I heard more lies on cnn in one hour than were in this guys piece. Most of what he says are postulates and not facts but they should be examined. The Mena connection did happen. Parts of our government were involved in 911. I am tired of being lied to and so should you be. Dont be a sucker folks.
Jbad, very good point, so much for responsible journalism.
"Filthy" and "Aaron S." if you guys are so worried, did you vote in the last election to change the government as is your constitutional right? HAve you been voting since you were able?
Snivelling about things never got anything changed. Get out, vote, run for office...wait, you'll have an answer for that one as well. But I digress......
"I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will fight to the death to ensure your right to say it."--paraphrase
Yeah, And I say that I can fly. No, not just in my dreams, bt really. AND IT IS A FACT.
BECAUSE I SAY SO.
http://www.rense.com/general29/penta.htm
"-If you're right, and some secret agents gained security access to the WTC buildings, and
-if they could have pre-cut steel members behind finished walls in multiple offices on multiple floors undetected, and
-if they could have transported and loaded explosives throughout the structures, over a series of weeks or months, and
-if they could have somehow wired everything together with miles of detonating cord undetected, and
-if they could have somehow run the whole thing to a common detonating point off site, and
-if they could have timed their whole effort to detonate at a prescribed time, then
Why would they have waited an extra hour after the planes hit to allow all of the people to exit the buildings?
And why would they have detonated just one tower at a time, with 45 minutes in between? You mean they would have planned this whole intricate thing and then bungled the big Come-To-Allah finish by literally allowing every person below the impact zone to just walk out the door?
And if you've undertaken such thorough and painstaking engineering effort to have the buildings loaded and wired, why do you need the planes? Seems to us that by simply 'pushing the button', they could have saved their martyrs for another day while increasing casualties one-hundred fold and pocketing the savings on box-cutters..."
A previous writer is accurate in stating that the truly scary thing is, a few people are actually going to believe this nonsense. The big question is, if as a result some reader goes out and pulls a McVeigh-esque retaliatory stunt, how much blame will be at the feet of obviously delusional writers such as this guy versus the recklessly irresponsible publisher(s)?
BB
http://www.implosionworld.com
I mean, shit, if I'm interested in world domination, what's 3000 lives? I would just promise these guys $10 million for their families if they would do it, then never pay them. Really, if we're going to do conspiracies here, at least do them right. Let's get Machiavellian here. If need be, take out their families.
Come on dude, you can do better than this. Get a fucking clue.
For someone to construct a comic-book conspiracy story out of a recent and tragic event, pointing accusing fingers at people only because their idealogy is different than yours (San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown ???) and to actively subvert faith in institutions at a time when it's badly needed...
I'm starting to think that there are people out there who want to see the downfall of society only because they're bored.
1) There's a big burning hole in the Pentagon, the size of a plane
2) All the witnesses saw the plane hit the Pentagon.
3) SOME witnesses (in the initial confusion) said they saw the plane hit the ground a fraction of a section before it hit the building...
4) Pictures show no damage to the lawn
I have a choice of believing the following:
A) 1, 2, and 4 are right, 3 is wrong. - The plane flew directly into the building without hitting the grass. The witnesses who claimed to have seen it hit the grass were confused in the excitement of the moment, or from the angle from which they were viewing it.
B) 4 is wright - 1, 2, and 3 are wrong - NO PLANE IS INVOLVED!!!! ALL THE WITNESSES WHO SAW A PLANE HIT THE BUILDING ARE LYING!!!!!
Occam is rolling in his grave...
>> WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICANS!!!!
I wake up at 7:00 every weekday morning, arrive at work at 8:30, work through to about 5:30 p.m. Usually I go to bed around 11:30 at night.
And you?
Relax and go back to your tofu and bad haircuts.
1) Where's the proof that some people didn't go to work that day because because they were warned off. I have lots of proof they weren't - including several friends who apparently weren't warned off. If the conspiracist think that the fact that more people weren't killed is proof, I'll just remind them that we were lucky enough (if that's the right way to say it) that the first plane hit before 9am and there was about 15mins for the South Tower to evacuate.
2) I heard rumors about someone selling vast amounts of airline stock short immediately after 9/11. Then I never heard anything about it again. It wouldn't be possible to do that anonomously (a broker needs a contact and someone has to sign the contracts) so it seems unlikely to me. And as for the government holding puts - what money were they using as collateral, where is the appropriation for market speculation, and why is it that only the conspiracy theorists know anything about it?
But really, even attempting to debunk this is a waste of time. Shame on the web master for giving this jerk a forum.
There's no way I'm wasting any more time on this diatribe.
There's no way I'm wasting any more time on this diatribe.
Could it not occur to the Penta-Lawn freaks that the plane was flying at such a low angle that it skidded on the ground slightly before hitting the Pentagon and blowing up, taking out 5 levels of impact in the structure? People just think. The lawn obviously was not harmed because all video points to the plane blowing up going into the building.
One - You CAN use your cell phone in the air. The debate has ALWAYS been the POSSIBILITY of your phone converation ovelapping on the radio frequency the pilots use. Including the pilots hearing your conversation, you hearing the pilots conversation, the interference compromising the pilots' ability to hear what they need to hear...Anyone, that's ever been in a hospital has had similar conditions applied with the you can't use your cell in "here" (or wahtever area you happen to be in. Because of the interfernce with certain machines...
Two - Any idiot even looking at the Towers for two seconds could "see" the structural weak spot (there were several), but that dark gray line that the planes were aiming for was an obvious one. And even I knew the towers would collapse. Your basically have several floors falling down on the floors below causing a dominoe effect. Ever seen demolition footage? Experts will sometimes cause one floor to fall on another demolishing one particular section in a straight line. There's a very well known one where one section of an apartment was torn down in this way.
If you want a conspiracy theory for imagination's sake pick a good one!
The Secrets of September 11
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.
AT THE CENTER of the dispute is a more-than-800-page secret report prepared by a joint congressional inquiry detailing the intelligence and law-enforcement failures that preceded the attacks--including provocative, if unheeded warnings, given President Bush and his top advisers during the summer of 2001.
The report was completed last December; only a bare-bones list of "findings" with virtually no details was made public. But nearly six months later, a "working group" of Bush administration intelligence officials assigned to review the document has taken a hard line against further public disclosure. By refusing to declassify many of its most significant conclusions, the administration has essentially thwarted congressional plans to release the report by the end of this month, congressional and administration sources tell NEWSWEEK. In some cases, these sources say, the administration has even sought to "reclassify" some material that was already discussed in public testimony--a move one Senate staffer described as "ludicrous." The administration's stand has infuriated the two members of Congress who oversaw the report--Democratic Sen. Bob Graham and Republican Rep. Porter Goss. The two are now preparing a letter of complaint to Vice President Dick Cheney.
Graham is "increasingly frustrated" by the administration's "unwillingness to release what he regards as important information the public should have about 9-11," a spokesman said. In Graham's view, the Bush administration isn't protecting legitimate issues of national security but information that could be a political "embarrassment," the aide said. Graham, who last year served as Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, recently told NEWSWEEK: "There has been a cover-up of this."
Graham's stand may not be terribly surprising, given that the Florida Democrat is running for president and is seeking to use the issue himself politically. But he has found a strong ally in House Intelligence Committee Chairman Goss, a staunch Republican (and former CIA officer) who in the past has consistently defended the administration's handling of 9-11 issues and is considered especially close to Cheney.
"I find this process horrendously frustrating," Goss said in an interview. He was particularly piqued that the administration was refusing to declassify material that top intelligence officials had already testified about. "Senior intelligence officials said things in public hearings that they [administration officials] don't want us to put in the report," said Goss. "That's not something I can rationally accept without further public explanation."
Unlike Graham, Goss insists there are no political "gotchas" in the report, only a large volume of important information about the performance and shortcomings of U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies prior to September 11.
And even congressional staffers close to the process say it is unclear whether the administration's resistance to public disclosure reflects fear of political damage or simply an ingrained "culture of secrecy" that permeates the intelligence community--and has strong proponents at the highest levels of the White House.
The mammoth report reflects nearly 10 months of investigative work by a special staff hired jointly by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and overseen by Eleanor Hill, a former federal prosecutor and Pentagon inspector general. Hill's team got access to hundreds of thousands of pages of classified documents from the CIA, FBI, National Security Agency and other executive-branch agencies. The staff also conducted scores of interviews with senior officials, field agents and intelligence officers. (They were not, however, given access to some top White House aides, such as national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice or other principals like Secretary of State Colin Powell or Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.) The team's report was approved by the two intelligence committees last Dec. 10. But because the document relied so heavily on secret material, the administration "working group," overseen by CIA director George Tenet, had to first "scrub" the document and determine which portions could be declassified.
More than two months later, the working group came back with its decisions--and some members were flabbergasted. Entire portions remained classified. Some of the report--including some dealing with matters that had been extensively aired in public, such as the now famous FBI "Phoenix memo" of July 2001 reporting that Middle Eastern nationals might be enrolling in U.S. flight schools--were "reclassified." Hill has since submitted proposed changes to the working group, pointing out the illogic of trying to pull back material that was already in the public domain. But officials have indicated the "review" process is likely to drag on for months--with no guarantees that the "working group" will be any more amenable to public disclosure.
A U.S. intelligence official cited international distractions as at least one reason for the delays. "In case you hadn't noticed, there have been two wars going on," the official said. The official added: "We're working this [report] to try to get it out without putting lives at risk and without endangering sources and methods." Asked why the working group was refusing to permit disclosure of material that had already been made public, the official said: "Just because something had been inadvertently released, doesn't make it unclassified."
The administration's tough stand, some sources say, doesn't augur well for the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks--which is conducting its own investigation into the events of 9-11. Already, flaps have developed on that front, as well. When one commissioner, former congressman Tim Roemer, last week sought to review transcripts of some of the joint inquiry's closed-door hearings, he was denied access--because the commission staff had agreed to a White House request to allow its lawyers to first review the material to determine if the president wants to invoke executive privilege to keep the material out of the panel's hands.
"I think it's outrageous," says Roemer, who plans to raise the matter at a commission hearing this week. But a commission staffer says he expected the White House review to be finished by the end of the week, and it was unclear whether the president's lawyers would try to invoke executive privilege--a stand that would almost certainly provoke a major legal battle with the panel.
The tensions over the release of 9-11 related material seems especially relevant--if not ironic--in light of recent reports that the president's political advisers have devised an unusual re-election strategy that essentially uses the story of September 11 as the liftoff for his campaign. The White House is delaying the Republican nominating convention, scheduled for New York City, until the first week in September 2004--the latest in the party's history. That would allow Bush's acceptance speech, now slated for Sept. 2, to meld seamlessly into 9-11 commemoration events due to take place in the city the next week.
Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United States--and implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike "in the coming weeks," the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: "The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning."
The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to "senior government officials."
That issue is now being refought in the context over the full report. The report names names, gives dates and provides a body of new information about the handling of many other crucial intelligence briefings--including one in early August 2001 given to national-security adviser Rice that discussed Al Qaeda operations within the United States and the possibility that the group's members might seek to hijack airplanes. The administration "working group" is still refusing to declassify information about the briefings, sources said, and has even expressed regret that some of the material was ever provided to congressional investigators in the first place.
A NEW HAND IN HOMELAND SECURITY
The White House is once again shuffling the deck in the staffing of top terrorism jobs, NEWSWEEK has learned. Gen. John A. Gordon--who has wielded broad if largely unseen powers as deputy national-security advisor in charge of combating terrorism--is moving up to become White House homeland-security adviser, a post formerly held by Tom Ridge. The new job is expected to give the brusque and secretive Gordon even more power as a "principal" with direct access to Bush. (Ridge is now secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.) Sources say Gordon beat out ex-FBI official James Kallstrom--an old ally of former FBI director Louis Freeh--for the key post.
The elevation of Gordon is the latest sign of the increasing prominence of intelligence-community veterans throughout the upper reaches of the government under Bush. (FBI director Robert Mueller, for example, recently reached outside the ranks of his law-enforcement agents to select Maureen A. Baginski, a former National Security Agency deputy director, to oversee FBI intelligence efforts.) For his part, Gordon was a former deputy CIA director with a reputation as a "a results-oriented guy" who has little patience for bureaucratic procedures, according to one former government official who has worked with him.
Gordon's departure, however, leaves vacancies at the two top White House counterterrorism jobs: Gordon's old post and that of his former deputy, Rand Beers, who resigned the week the war in Iraq began. On the surface, the vacancies seem conspicuous in an administration that has made combating terrorism the centerpiece of its policies. But sources say a vigorous search has been underway and replacements are likely to be named shortly.
© 2003 Newsweek, Inc.
The Pentagon and the White House defenately should be tried for treason.
The best 'recommondation' for this article, are actually all the 'responses' before me.
They are a classical CIA operation. Attempting VERY childishly to creat the impression that the majority of our readers disagree with this article.
ANY intelligent reader, will memorise every sentence in that article, just based on the froadulant 'responses' before me.
These 'responses' are a part of mind control operations, which most of us in the military are VERY familiar with.
It is very sad to see that most of the 'News Media' in the USA are under strict Pentagon control.
Too many people are getting too anxious about this article for it to all be lies. Most of the points in this article can be linked through to mainstream media reports. As for witnesses claiming a plane hit the Pentagon, I am skeptical because no video was ever released and I doubt the Pentagon would not have security cameras. There is obviously a cover up regarding 9-11, and I think most people know that these days. I'm not sure about the demolition theory, but when you watch the World Trade Centre 7 building falling it seems like demolitions are the only answer. I'm not sure if the mainstream media have ever recognized that WTC7 came down at all.
The weirdest thing is that an article like this is supposedly read by so many right wing types who feel so much rage, when actually there's a lot of valid points in it. What are these guys doing on this site in the first place?
All the eye witness accounts of the Pentagon crash that I've seen investigated have come from 'embedded' journalists, and there's been so much ambiguity in their version of events that it seems like noone saw a plane.
Aside from the article I'd just like to say, Bush and his family, and Cheney, Rumsfield, and Fleischer are textbook Nazi types and I hope they one day pay for their gross crimes. Reader should go to conspiracy sites such as http://www.whatreallyhappened.com (not ideal but better than Fox or CNN) because there's a lot of holes in the mainstream version of events. And watch Waco:The Rules of engagement (documentary) if you can't accept the American Government is capable of coverups and murder and gassing of innocent women and kids.
It's a scary world now, thanks to the damage being done by Bush and his goonbars.
Fraserelli
http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/attack.htm
The propaganda machine is rampant, and the political world seems to have gone insane, along with a large part of the rightwing world. There is obviously a coverup regarding 9-11 and Bush appears to be right at the heart of it.
One suggestion I would make to readers who want to get better information, is Google-News. I don't know how many people are aware of the Google News tab. It continually polls major stories from news services around the globe. If you don't believe your countries media, you have alternatives.
Fraserelli
I'll believe Mindy Kleinberg's research over your's.
I remember when WTC 1 & 2 came down, we were all promised there would be an enquiry, and the answers would be piled a meter high on the desk for all American's to read. That was reassuring I thought.
Fraserelli
We are in the midst of a virtual world war and the enemy is never who They tell you it is because They would never be couragous enough to admit it was Them.
Chances are that very few (if any of us) on this planet really know what any given, so-called "war" is really all about. But we do know, if we're smart, what most if not all wars are, in essence and ultimately, about - the few owning and controlling the many.
How much money did they spend investigating Clinton's sex life?
Funny you should mention that.
Click here:
http://shock-awe.info/archive/000858.php
It's a fact (like it or not) that our government is not honest with us. Neither is the mass media (or sites like this wouldn't be neccessary). Claiming that our government was behind 9/11 is going out on a limb. What we do know is that they are at least partially responsible. After all, who created the hatred that caused these madmen to murder our fellow citizens? Was it the innocent people that died? No. Look to your leaders in DC.
Innocent Americans died as a result of a hatred for our government. And that hatred is more widespread than we in America imagine. We need to realize as a nation WHY there is so much hatred for the US government and do what we can to change it. Vote. Reform foreign policy...for one, stop pressing our culture and religious beliefs on the rest of the world.
Miss Free Speech,
Good question. Who did create the hatred that caused these events?
I say "You call this site necessary? HA HA HA HA"
>Innocent Americans died as a result of a hatred for our government.
This logic sounds good until you start wondering where else this logic could be applied. This logic would blame ghandi for beating up his own people when they engaged in protest. because "he made the british angry"
Or would blame the british for "making the nazi angry" in WWII.
Most rational people realize that you cannot constantly bow to threats.
>And that hatred is more widespread than we in America imagine. We need to realize as a nation WHY there is so much hatred for the US government and do what we can to change it.
The rest of the world will hate you no-matter what you do
> Vote. Reform foreign policy...for one, stop pressing our culture and religious beliefs on the rest of the world.
your culture is democracy - equality under the law, the integrity of states, freedom of religion etc etc.
It is in part carried by your international corporations
to do what you ask properly would in the first instance be reduce the prevalance of hte above rights and in the second instance to economicallly cripple yourself untill you fell under the power of another state.
The funny thing is the world will stilll hate you until you are too insignificant to hate.
It appears to me that most of these comments came from the same guy. Reading one after the other gives the impression that it is one large comment split into little pieces. Good luck on our articles - I haven't read many but the idea you can put a Boeing through a 20 foot hole is a real chuckle.