80% of "historic Palestine" became (trans)Jordan

As long as people rally for the end of israel's very existence, as the misguided mental midgets known as "anti-zionists" do, there won't be peace.

If Texas was given to Islamic fundamentalists and everyone else was forced to live in refugee camps in Oklahoma and all the neighboring states refused to accept Texans in, one could still argue that there isnt anything wrong since the US would still keep 80%+ of its land.

The fact that Jordan contains many Palestinians has not relationship to Palestinians in the West Bank living under occupation. Bosnians Muslims could have all moved to Turkey and one could argue that it wasnt fair that Serbs couldnt cleanse Bosnia to make it Christian since Serbs control such a small amount of land compared to Muslims. One could also use that logic to justify apartheid asking why the nonWhites didnt just leave since S Africa was such a small percentage of Africa (and other African countries were kicking our whites). The problem is that in all these cases those arguing the racist proIsrael type line are arguing that a whole people should leave a land they have lived on for generations to become refugees just because an ethnically pure state seems justified based off the logic that "everyone else is doing it".

how on earth can anyone expect israel to just fold up shop and go away, either in one fell swoop or by wimpy little steps?

how on earth would any Jew live with him or herself if, after 2000 years of vicious persecution, they were handed a little scrap of a state and, after only 50 years, blew it and lost it again.... particularly at the hands of folks like you and Ms. Campbell.

seriously, this shows an appalling lack of understanding of both history as well as human psychology.

"rally for the end of israel's very existence,"
A bi-national state is what exists now (see http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/10/1700956.php ). The West Bank and Gaza are effectively part of Israel and treated as such, formallizing this and giving Palestinians the right to vote would be to everyone's advantage since Palestinians would gain freedom and settler's would not have to move. To see the giving of those in the Israel provinces of the West Bank and Gaza full voting rights in Israel as "destroying Israel" would be the same as claiming that by allowing everyone in S Africa to vote S Africa was destroyed (it wasn't). Freedom for all would be a change but unless there was land redistribution (a la Zimbabwe) it wouldnt change much except perhaps decreasing hatred in the region.

A two state solution sounded like a good idea a few years ago but with the settlements, destruction of the PA and destruction of the Palestinian economy (where it is now very dependent on the rest of Israel) its no longer something that is likely to happen. The more Israel attacks Palestinians and kills of any leadership that could make it a state, the farther away a two state solution becomes. Palestinians are second-class Israeli citizens demanding full rights, one can disagree with their tactics but without a any other real country to call home and with no hope of independence, the cry "Free Palestine" will soon become "Give all Israelis a vote".

The "Palestinians" just want to murder the Israelis. They don't want a state: if they did, they would negotiate peace. An Arab Palestinian nation never existed, but they are a group of "Jamulas" (clans) from Arabia and Syria who immigrated to work as foreign workers when the state of Israel was taking shape. Those clans are controled by the Islamist mafias of Fatah and Hamas.

"The "Palestinians" just want to murder the Israelis"

Even you put their name in quotes because Palestinians are second-class Israeli citizens. Give all those in the West Bank and Gaza a vote in the Israeli elections and the whole conflict will be over.

As for Texas, there's no ethnic group or nation that has had an emotional or mental connection to that patch of land, save for the Natives who were never exiled by a foreign occupation prior to European ethnic cleansing, for millennia. Not so the Jews, who always yearned to repossess the Land of Israel and renew Jewish independence there. So your Texas analogy is invalid. To the extent you're familiar with the Jewish bond to the Land of Israel, you have big trouble taking it into account whenever it's appropriate.

On a general note, you seem oblivious to the fact that virtually no other entire people besides the Jews is simultaneously made up of adherents to one religion alone which includes numerous powerful directives to adhere to one particular land patch, which continue to impact -- in various conscious and unconscious manners -- many Jews to be attached in at least an emotional fashion to those disputed territories. So the examples you marshaled of all those ethnic groups vis-a-vis certain states don't do the topic justice.

You're forgetting that many Palestinians living in Judea-Samaria still have Jordanian passports and citizenship. This fact surely has some implications, don't you think?

As far as I can notice, the argument that "it's done in lots of other places" isn't the dominant rationale among most pro-Israel people advocating some sort of transfer of Palestinians to Jordan and elsewhere. At times their arguments aren't racist, though I'm sure this is hard for you to swallow. The late Israeli tourism minister Rehav'am Ze'evi, for instance, led a party whose ideology wasn't racist, at least not per se.

If the disputed territories were de facto fully part of the State of Israel, the Palestinians wouldn't be subjected to military law and would have the same rights Israeli Arabs enjoy. (And yes, I'm of course aware that Israeli Arabs are in a disadvantage compared to the Jewish Israelis.) These two important differences somehow eluded you. They carry pretty significant implications that clearly set apart Palestinians from Israeli Arabs, even if we consider the latter Palestinians too. You seem to have forgotten that the disputed territories' Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens.

If Israel were to annex the territories today, it surely would be harmful to Israel in that the terrorists among the Palestinians would be able to commit their atrocities without the IDF taking any of them out, for the Israeli military isn't allowed to operate against Israeli citizens, and the Israeli border police is the only police force with paramilitary capabilities, and the terrorists would outnumber and out-resource them.

You forgot, or wasn't mindful to begin with, that the racist Black S. African factions advocating either the expulsion or annihilation of all Whites from S. Africa hadn't been quite mainstream among the Blacks there. Contrast that with the fact the supremacist Palestinians' desire to outplace all the Jews very often enjoys the silent majority's support; Arafat and the PA still keep that desire as a meta-objective and Arafat regularly encourages his "citizens" to embark on Jihad against Israel, not only the "settlements". Nelson Mandela never espoused such goals. So it's small wonder S. Africa wasn't "ruined".

I don't see Israel trying to assassinate any members among Arafat's Fatah circle like Abu Mazen and the current PM. Why are you trying to imply that much?

I think Sefarad was alluding to the Palestinians in the disputed territories, who are NOT Israeli citizens. We're not talking here fiction, it's a fact.

There's *much* you ought to learn about Palestinian ideology if you sincerely believe the whole conflict will end once the ARabs of the disputed territories are given equal voting rights. Undewr the current circumstances, such a move would spell the first step on the way to Palestinian persecution of the Jews.

Spinning the truth will not change it.....

It is true that before 1967 the figure was 80% because the West Bank was part of Jordan, but since now the West Bank is occupied land instead of part of Jordan that figure is no longer true.

If look at it, as it is today, West Bank, and Gaza (occupied land) is 22% of Israel, West Bank and Gaza.
Israel is 78%.

The Majority of the Palestinians that we are concerned about in this conflict were born in the West Bank or Gaza and have lived there all their lives.

If you want to go back in time, How about in the Early 1900 when "many" of the ancestors of the Jewish people in Israel today were still living in Germany, Russia, and Europe?

The past is gone and done with and the past wrongs on both sides cannot be changed: so if we expect to have Peace now or in the Future we need to do what is right TODAY:

It does not change the fact that there is a conflict that is going on, and this latest conflict that began in Sept. of 2000 has caused the death of over 1000 Israelis and over 3000 Palestinians, many of these deaths are children.

Maybe it is time the U.N. and U.S. and E.U. step in and say "O.K." the Road Map is getting us nowhere fast......

So lets go ahead and make those borders so the conflict can end.

Israel inside its pre 1967 Green line borders, with its Jewish majority and 1,200,000 or so Arabs.

Palestine in the Whole of West Bank and Gaza with its Palestinian majority and 400,000 or so Jewish settlers.

The settlers can choose on their own if they wish to stay in the New State of Palestine or move to Israel.

An agency can be set up in Israel to aid and help move any settler who wishes to move.

Then just like when Iraq invaded Kuwait, a coalition was formed to get him out. If Palestine tries to Invade Israel a coalition can go in and get the Palestinians out. If Israel tried to Invade Palestine a coalition can go in and get the Israelis out. These are not huge Countries where it would be impossible.

With this arrangement, The Palestinians can never "drive the Israelis into the Sea" and the Israelis can never be accused of "ethnic cleansing" the Palestinians.

Law on either side, just like anywhere else, can deal with individual troublemakers on either side.

Until we do something that is Fair and Just for both sides there will be no Peace.

I think that most of us can agree that what is occurring right now is getting us nowhere.

ANGEL has significant emotional trouble coming to terms with a simple historical fact cited by the thread's author: some 80% of *historical* Palestine -- the part east of the Jordan river -- became Jordan some 80 years ago, actually in 1923. This is *still* true and will keep being true. The author wasn't referring to Jordan's occupation of the "West Bank" from 1948 through 1967.

As quite usual, it is ANGEL who's spinning truth rather than the reverse..

That's exactly what I meant.

I would like to know what, from your point of view is Israeli land and if the Israelis are entitled to allow in whoever they want.

I put "Palestinians" in quotation marks because an Arab Palestinian people never existed. The people known as Palestinians were Jews. That was so till the foundation of the state of Israel, when they abandoned that name, which was appropriated by the Arabs many years later.

"how on earth would any Jew live with him or herself if, after 2000 years of vicious persecution, they were handed a little scrap of a state and, after only 50 years, blew it and lost it again"

*NO* AMOUNT OF SUFFERING -- I REPEAT, **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING -- ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO TAKE OR BE GIVEN THE LAND AND HOMES OF ANOTHER WITHOUT THAT OTHERS' CONSENT.

IF *EUROPE* WANTED TO PAY FOR THE *EUROPEAN* HOLOCAUST AGAINST *EUROPEAN* JEWS (REMEMBER, THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST AGAINST JEWS IN THE ARAB WORLD, EVEN THOUGH ARABS FAR OUTNUMBERED JEWS -- MANY EUPOPEAN JEWS RAN TO THE ARAB WORLD FOR SAFETY DURING THE *EUROPEAN* INQUISITION), THEN *EUROPE* SHOULD HAVE GIVEN *EUROPEAN* JEWS LAND IN **EUROPE**!!


Non-Critical Thinkifier: "Not so the Jews, who always yearned to repossess the Land of Israel and renew Jewish independence there."

WELL!!: AFTER 2,000 YEARS *THAT* YEARNING 'CERTAINLY' GIVES ZIONIST JEWS THE 'RIGHT', DOESN'T IT???

'CT' MUST BE ONE OF THOSE **NUTCASE** _*JEWISH* FUNDAMENTALIST_ RELIGIOUS **FANATICS**!!

OH THOSE **CRAZZZY** ZIONIST JEWS!!

AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT TEXANS DON'T HAVE AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO THE LAND -- WITH ALL THAT "OLD WEST" LONGHORN MENTALITY -- IS JUST PLUM CRAZY!!

MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE AND RETAIN A "MENTAL CONNECTION" TO THE LAND IN WHICH THEY WERE BORN -- INCLUDING ARAB **JEWS** TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF AS THEIR RESPECTIVE ARAB HOMELANDS (OFTEN DRIVEN/COERCED OUT BY THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS LOOKING TO POPULATE ISRAEL)! IN FACT,

MOST ARAB JEWS *HATED* THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS. THOSE ARAB JEWS DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR NATIVE-BORN ARAB LANDS WHERE THEY HAD MORE IN COMMON, SOCIOCULTURALLY, WITH ARABS THAN WITH RACIST EUROPEAN JEWS (OFTEN RACIST EVEN AGAINST ARAB JEWS!).

IF ZIONIST JEWS HAVE THIS DEEPLY CHRONIC MENTALLY DESTRUCTIVE PSYCHOPATHIC COMPULSIVE-OBSESSIVE DISORDER TO TAKE A LAND WHERE ANOTHER PEOPLE LIVE(D) AND OWN PALESTINE, AND SET UP A RACIST JEWISH-SUPREMACIST STATE, THEN THEY NEED A ***SHRINK*** AND A COUCH, AND A TWICE A WEEK SESSION, NOT GUNS AND BILLIONS UPON ENDLESS BILLLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR TAX MONEY!!

THE LAND ANALYSIS OF "strange logic" IS *EXACTLY* CORRECT! LET ZIONIST JEWS TRY GOING TO JUST NEW YORK CITY AND SAY, "HEY, WE JEWS HAVE PRETTY MUCH 'COLONIZED' NEW YORK CITY ALREADY, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT JEWS HAVE DEVELOPED A HEARTFELT ATTACHMENT TO NEW YORK CITY, SO WHY DON'T THE REST OF YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR HOMES AND PROPERTY AND WE'LL JUST TAKE IT!! THE REST OF YOU STILL HAVE 99.999% OF THE U.S. LEFT!"

"strange logic" USED TEXAS, BUT I OFTEN USE NEW JERSEY OR SCOTLAND/WHALES/IRELAND, AS ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.

BUT 1948 ISRAEL ACTUALLY BECAME ALMOST *80%* OF PALESTINE. WHAT IF ZIONIST JEWS TRIED TO CLAIM *80%* OF ANY *EUROPEAN* COUNTRY!? -- EVEN OF VICHY FRANCE OR THE DEFEATED GERMANY!!? NO *WHITE* PEOLE WOULD STAND FOR THAT!! BUT THIS SCHEME ONLY SEEMS TO MAKE 'SENSE' -- TO WHITES -- WHEN A *NON*-EUROPEAN, "3RD WORLD" PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED.

NOW, IS THAT RACIST?

IN FACT, IN EXCHANGE FOR ISRAEL, A BILL, PARODYING THE BALFOUR DECLARATION, WAS INTRODUCED IN AN ARAB PARLIAMENT CALLING FOR THE BRITISH TO CALL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PALESTINIAN ARAB HOMELAND IN **CALIFORNIA**!!

WHAT IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO TO BACK TO WHERE THEIR REILIGIOUS ANCESTORS LIVED 2,000 YEARS AGO?

THAT'S WHY MALCOLM X SAID THAT ZIONISM HAS NO INTELLIGENT BASIS IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY.


AND, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE, 'CT', A *JEWISH*-SUPREMACIST, A ZIONIST, COMPLAINING ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM!!: ZIONISTS DON'T SEE THE SHEER **IRONY** YET!!

"**NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING -- ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO TAKE OR BE GIVEN THE LAND AND HOMES OF ANOTHER WITHOUT THAT OTHERS' CONSENT."

justice starts at home.

get 90-some percent of the population to leave north america, then start putting other peoples' houses in order for them.

okay?

Writing in all capital letters is generally considered bad Netiquette, that is, on the internet, it is rude. On the internet, people write in all caps when they are shouting, when they are angry. So, unless you are angry, don't write in all caps.
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When you write in all capital letters, this looks (and maybe sounds) to the recipient as if you were shouting.

This is why you should

* use all caps sparingly.

It is a strong effect, and it should remain one.

Imagine someone shouting all the time. Not only would it mean little when she shouted, it is also more difficult to understand somebody who shouts. Similarly, text in upper case is significantly more difficult to read than lower and mixed case text.

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Avoid writing e-mail messages or posting in newsgroups using all caps.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SHOUTING!

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Do not type in all caps. Typing in all caps is considered yelling or screaming online. Those who type in all caps are perceived as lazy and not being considerate of those who will have to read their e-mail. Various studies on the topic reflect that it is more difficult and takes longer to read text that is typed in all caps. And for those who question "What studies?" here is one example for your reading pleasure:

http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/~muter/pmuter1.htm

Searching for words is faster with uppercase characters, but reading of continuous text is slower (Vartabedian, 1971), perhaps because interline masking is greater with uppercase (Nes, 1986). In addition, lowercase enhances reading efficiency because word shape is helpful in word recognition (Rudnicky & Kolers, 1984).

One is free, at their convenience, to review the entire document above which goes into detail about how eyes react to what they have to read based on how the content is presented.

Stating certain professions are required to type in all caps (that's the first time I've heard that one) does not jive either. Would you send any off-line communications in all caps - the answer is probably no.

http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html

>>>"*NO* AMOUNT OF SUFFERING -- I REPEAT, **NO** AMOUNT OF SUFFERING -- ENTITLES ONE PEOPLE TO TAKE OR BE GIVEN THE LAND AND HOMES OF ANOTHER WITHOUT THAT OTHERS' CONSENT. "<<<

The Zionist Jews certainly didn't usurp ("take") someone else's land and homes. And the non-Jewish people there couldn't give their consent on a national level since they didn't constitute a people or a nation.

>>>"IF *EUROPE* WANTED TO PAY FOR THE *EUROPEAN* HOLOCAUST AGAINST *EUROPEAN* JEWS (REMEMBER, THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST AGAINST JEWS IN THE ARAB WORLD, EVEN THOUGH ARABS FAR OUTNUMBERED JEWS -- MANY EUPOPEAN JEWS RAN TO THE ARAB WORLD FOR SAFETY DURING THE *EUROPEAN* INQUISITION), THEN *EUROPE* SHOULD HAVE GIVEN *EUROPEAN* JEWS LAND IN **EUROPE**!!"<<<

No one except you is pondering the issue of European culpability and guilty conscience over the Holocaust. Stick to the topic.

>>>"WELL!!: AFTER 2,000 YEARS *THAT* YEARNING 'CERTAINLY' GIVES ZIONIST JEWS THE 'RIGHT', DOESN'T IT???
'CT' MUST BE ONE OF THOSE **NUTCASE** _*JEWISH* FUNDAMENTALIST_ RELIGIOUS **FANATICS**!! OH THOSE **CRAZZZY** ZIONIST JEWS!! "<<<

Yawn... I already heard this tired refrain from you last year. We know for sure you're a nutjob African-American rabid religious supremacist with the NOI; you don't even know whether I go to synagogue even once a year!

>>>"AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT TEXANS DON'T HAVE AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO THE LAND -- WITH ALL THAT "OLD WEST" LONGHORN MENTALITY -- IS JUST PLUM CRAZY!! "<<<

You're just as foolish as you're nuts as evidenced by how you misread my paragraph. The bond European and other non-Natives have with Texas doesn't stretch back further than the 19th century, you dolt!

>>>"MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD HAVE AND RETAIN A "MENTAL CONNECTION" TO THE LAND IN WHICH THEY WERE BORN "<<<

Are most people in the world adherents to a religion that incorporates in its 3 daily prayers, its rituals, its grace after meals and so on numerous references to a land their ancestors were forced out of more than a millennium ago?We're talking here a religious connection that surpasses all forms of non-religious bonding to a particular land patch, not to mention that many Jews ~throughout the generations~ harbored and re-lived these forms of attachment for so long. This is something multi-generational, Juif Antagoniste.

>>>"INCLUDING ARAB **JEWS** TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF AS THEIR RESPECTIVE ARAB HOMELANDS (OFTEN DRIVEN/COERCED OUT BY THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS LOOKING TO POPULATE ISRAEL)!"<<<

This old lie is based on the testimony of some Iraqi Jew with a gripe, with which many other Iraqi Jews, not necessarily Zionist fanatics, disagreed.

>>>" IN FACT, MOST ARAB JEWS *HATED* THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS. THOSE ARAB JEWS DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR NATIVE-BORN ARAB LANDS WHERE THEY HAD MORE IN COMMON, SOCIOCULTURALLY, WITH ARABS THAN WITH RACIST EUROPEAN JEWS"<<<

Yet another lie, compounded by a gross exaggeration.
Most "Arab Jews" sure as heaven wanted to leave their host lands once their Arab hosts began picking on them due to Israel's declaration of independence.

>>>"IF ZIONIST JEWS HAVE THIS DEEPLY CHRONIC MENTALLY DESTRUCTIVE PSYCHOPATHIC COMPULSIVE-OBSESSIVE DISORDER TO TAKE A LAND WHERE ANOTHER PEOPLE LIVE(D) AND OWN PALESTINE, AND SET UP A RACIST JEWISH-SUPREMACIST STATE, BLAH BLAH BLAH!!"<<<

Maybe JA should try a shrink for a change?

>>>"LET ZIONIST JEWS TRY GOING TO JUST NEW YORK CITY AND SAY, "HEY, WE JEWS HAVE PRETTY MUCH 'COLONIZED' NEW YORK CITY ALREADY, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT JEWS HAVE DEVELOPED A HEARTFELT ATTACHMENT TO NEW YORK CITY, SO WHY DON'T THE REST OF YOU JUST GIVE UP YOUR HOMES AND PROPERTY AND WE'LL JUST TAKE IT!! THE REST OF YOU STILL HAVE 99.999% OF THE U.S. LEFT!" <<<

But, see, that's JA's idea, not the national desire of Zionist Jews.

>>>""strange logic" USED TEXAS, BUT I OFTEN USE NEW JERSEY OR SCOTLAND/WHALES/IRELAND, AS ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF ISRAEL."<<<

You kind of left out NYC from right above. Could that be because you used to dub it "heimytown" or "Jew York City" and have pangs of conscience over that?

>>>"BUT 1948 ISRAEL ACTUALLY BECAME ALMOST *80%* OF PALESTINE. "<<<

JA's apparently too stoned to comprehend when reading quickly, so let's see if he could slow down:

(a) In 1923, the east bank -- eastern Palestine -- encompassing Jordan's territory and making up 78% of Palestine, was severed from Palestine and given as a reward to the Hashemites, banning all Jews. Sounds like ethnic cleansing.

(b) During Israel's 1948 war of independence, it came to posses 78% of western Palestine, i.e. 78% of 22%.

(c) 78% of 22% give us about 15% of all of Palestine (east + west).
So Israel takes up about 15% of Palestine.

>>>"WHAT IF ZIONIST JEWS TRIED TO CLAIM *80%* OF ANY *EUROPEAN* COUNTRY!? -- EVEN OF VICHY FRANCE OR THE DEFEATED GERMANY!!? NO *WHITE* PEOLE WOULD STAND FOR THAT!! BUT THIS SCHEME ONLY SEEMS TO MAKE 'SENSE' -- TO WHITES -- WHEN A *NON*-EUROPEAN, "3RD WORLD" PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED. "<<<

JA's projecting his own anti-white racism on all Whites, regardless of religious affiliation, who support or at least don't object to Jewish independence on 78% of the *western* part of their historic homeland.

>>>"NOW, IS THAT RACIST?"<<<

Yes, your most recent race baiting bit above sure was.

>>>"WHAT IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO TO BACK TO WHERE THEIR REILIGIOUS ANCESTORS LIVED 2,000 YEARS AGO?"<<<

It's kind of an academic question. The more appropriate question to pose is, what if everybody were adherents of religions that fuse nationality and religion?

>>>"THAT'S WHY MALCOLM X SAID THAT ZIONISM HAS NO INTELLIGENT BASIS IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY. "<<<

Small wonder. His intelligence didn't suffice to understand that nationality and religion go hand in hand in Judaism; apparently he was too busy singing the praises of the lunatic fringe Neturei Karta (if he heard of them).

>>>"AND, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE, 'CT', A *JEWISH*-SUPREMACIST, A ZIONIST, COMPLAINING ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM!!: ZIONISTS DON'T SEE THE SHEER **IRONY** YET!!"<<<

Why, I've seen it often enough: you're an African-American supremacist twisting everything Jewish you disagree with into racism and fanaticism.

One claim I wrote should read:
The Zionist Jews certainly didn't usurp ("take") someone else's land, nor did they take anyone's homes until 1948. But we must be mindful that the vast majority of the previously Arab homes some of them moved into belonged to tenants who weren't kicked out.

Another claim should read:
The bond European English speakers other than on-Natives have with Texas doesn't stretch back further than the 19th century, and some Mexicans have emotional and mental bonds to Texas going back a few centuries further, but nevertheless theirs isn't a bond of millennia and certainly isn't religious.

...IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT SOME WHITES THINK THAT THEY DO!!

Netiquette: "Writing in all capital letters is generally considered bad Netiquette, that is, on the internet, it is rude. On the internet, people write in all caps when they are shouting, when they are angry. So, unless you are angry, don't write in all caps."

If you look at any map today....
Jordan is a Country that does not include the West Bank.
Israel is a Country
West Bank is Occupied land not a Country that is Free.
But it is not today Occupied by Jordan, it is under Israeli Occupation.
To solve the Conflicts of the Present time, you have to look at the Picture the way it is in the Present time.

At the Present If you take Israel, West Bank and Gaza (that is under the Present day Occupation of Israel). West Bank and Gaza is 22% of this area and has around 4,000,000 or so Arabs both Muslim and Christian who wish to call themselves Palestinians.

And you Have Israel with some 5,000,000 or so Jews and 1,200,000 Arabs. Israel takes up 78% of the land the way it stands Today and for the Present day conflict you have to look at the area as it stands today......

In any case 22% of the land for a Palestinian State so that the Palestinian People can live in Freedom and Peace is not to much to ask for some 4,000,000 People.

Most on this site are smart enough to do the math.

Who gets the most land per person.

4,000,000 on 22%
or 6,000,000 on 78%

Peace all comes down to Fair and Just, as long as you do not have Fair and Just you will have war......

To end the resistance to the Occupation you have to end the Occupation that allows for the resistance….

How does JA even know Netiquette is a White? What if a Black actually set some of those etiquette rules?

When people talk about restoring "Palestine," they should remember that for 1500 years Palestine was a TERRITORY, and just 85 years ago, 80% of it became Jordan.

, 80% of it became Jordan.then Palestinians should be living in jordan? right?? after all then they would be one big happy family

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "The Zionist Jews certainly didn't usurp ("take") someone else's land and homes. And the non-Jewish people there couldn't give their consent on a national level since they didn't constitute a people or a nation."

WELL, THEN THE NAZIS CERTAINLY DIDN'T "USURP/TAKE" THE LIVES OF 6 MILLION JEWS, SINCE THEY DIDN'T CONSTITUTE A NATION AND THUS COULDN'T "CONSENT/REFUSE' ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, HUH?


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "No one except you is pondering the issue of European culpability and guilty conscience over the Holocaust. Stick to the topic."

SO, CRTICAL 'DAVID IRVING' THINKIFIER NOW DECLARES THAT THE EUROPEANS WERE **NOT** CULPABLE FOR THE HOLOCAUST. 'WELL SAID', 'CT'.


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "you don't even know whether I go to synagogue even once a year!"

THEN *WHAT* KIND OF **KOOKKKY** ZIONIST 'LOGIC' DO YOU BASE YOUR LONGING FOR YOUR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS' KINGDOM ON? -- A KINGDOM THAT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUPY ALL OF PALESTINE.


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "The bond European and other non-Natives have with Texas doesn't stretch back further than the 19th century"

WELL, THE BOND THAT HITLER HAD WITH A RACIALLY PURE TUETONIC GERMANY WENT BACK -- AND FORTH -- FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, SO I GUESS THAT 'JUSTIFIED' HIS GENOCIDE AGAINST EUROPEAN JEWS, HUH?

BECAUSE IN A LATER PARAGRAPH 'CT' COMES UP WITH SOME ZIONIST JEWISH FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIOUS *MUMBO JUMBO* TO JUSTIFY SOME ANCIENT CLAIM ON ISRAEL BASED ON JEWISH RELIGIOUS MYTHOLOGY FOR WHICH THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL PROOF, BUT A GOOD DEAL OF HISTORICAL DOUBT (THE LEGEND OF THE EXODUS) BY ANY OTHER THAN ZIONIST ARCHEOLOGISTS!

(THE ZIONIST STATE "ARCHEOLOGISTS" PERFORM THE SAME IDEOLOGICAL FUNCTION TO JUSTIFY ZIONIST ISRAEL AND THE DISPOSSESSION OF THE PALESTINIANS THAT THE NAZI STATE "ARCHEOLOGISTS" SERVED TO JUSTIFY NAZI GERMANY AND THE DISPOSSESSION OF THE JEWS.)


>>>"INCLUDING ARAB **JEWS** TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF AS THEIR RESPECTIVE ARAB HOMELANDS (OFTEN DRIVEN/COERCED OUT BY THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS LOOKING TO POPULATE ISRAEL)!"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "This old lie is based on the testimony of some Iraqi Jew with a gripe, with which many other Iraqi Jews, not necessarily Zionist fanatics, disagreed."

WELL, NOW SOME OF YOUR AMERICAN/ISRAELI *JEWISH* HISTORIANS HAVE REVEALED THAT TO BE THE CASE.


>>>" IN FACT, MOST ARAB JEWS *HATED* THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS. THOSE ARAB JEWS DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR NATIVE-BORN ARAB LANDS WHERE THEY HAD MORE IN COMMON, SOCIOCULTURALLY, WITH ARABS THAN WITH RACIST EUROPEAN JEWS"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Yet another lie, compounded by a gross exaggeration. blah, blah, blah...

WELL, THEN YOU BETTER GO BACK AND READ THE HISTORY OF WHAT ARAB JEWS THOUGHT, THEN. EVEN TODAY, ANTI-ZIONIST AND *ZIONIST* ARAB JEWS HAVE SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES IN ARAB COUNTRIES.


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Maybe JA should try a shrink for a change?"

I'M NOT SOME ***WACKO*** ***NUTCASE*** ***PATHOLOGICALLY*** ***SEMI-GENOCIDALLY*** ***CRAZZZY*** OLE ZIONIST CLAIMING THAT "GOD" GAVE ONE OF MY NEARLY PRE-HISTORIC ANCESTORS A PROMISE TO SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND ***5,000*** YEARS AGO. AND THAT 2,000 YEARS AFTER WE HAD SOME TEMPORARY POLITICAL POSSESSION OF ONLY A PART OF IT, WE'VE COME BACK FROM ANOTHER CONTINENT FOR WHAT'S OURS!!!

NOW ARE ZIONISTS TOTALLLY, ABSOLUTELY *****LOOONNNIE***** OR WHAT!!!???

SO, BACK TO THE COUCH FOR YOU, 'CT'!!


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "[MORE 'JORDAN IS PALESTINE' GOEBBELS-LIKE' ZIONIST PROPAGANDA]"

WE'LL JUST **IGNORE** THAT OLD SAW. NOBODY BELIEVES IT BUT HARDCORE ARCH-ZIONISTS ANYWAY.


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "JA's projecting his own anti-white racism on all Whites, regardless of religious affiliation, who support or at least don't object to Jewish independence on 78% of the *western* part of their historic homeland."

ACTUALLY, MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING OTHER WHITES, ARE DAMN TIRED OF ZIONIST JEWS WHINING ON AND ON ABOUT SOME ANCIENT MYTHOLOGICAL RELIGIOUS CLAIM TO PALESTINE, ONCE:

(1) THOSE OTHER PEOPE NOW REALIZE WHAT THE ZIONIST ***LIED*** ABOUT (THE OLD "LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE" RUSE): THAT THERE WERE, INDEED, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ALREADY *LIVING* IN PALESTINE,

(2) THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING OTHER WHITES, SEE HOW ANYONE WHO DARES CRITICIZE ANYTHING ABOUT ISRAEL IS **TERRORIZED** BY THE WEST'S MORE PREVALENT **TERRORISTS**, SOCIOECONOMIC POLITICAL TERRORISTS: ZIONIST JEWS!! -- WHO TERRORIZE EVERYONE WITH THE ANTI-SEMITE SLUR AND THEN TERRORIZE PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS WHENEVER ZIONISTS CAN. I WOULD NEVER WANT TO PUT "MY PEOPLE" IN SUCH A DANGEROUS POSITION FOR A BACKLASH ONE DAY.

(3) THEY REALIZE THAT ZIONIST JEWISH BEHAVIOR WOULD BESMIRCH THE SUFFERING AND GENOCIDE OF 6 MILLION OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE IN ORDER TO TAKE OVER PALESTINE -- OR AS ANTI-ZIONIST AND ANTI-RACIST ACTIVIST JEWISH-AMERICAN TIM WISE SAYS, "FOR ALL OF THIS [ZIONIST BRUTAL OPPRESSION OF ANOTHER PEOPLE] SIX MILLION DIED?"

>>>"WHAT IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO TO BACK TO WHERE THEIR REILIGIOUS ANCESTORS LIVED 2,000 YEARS AGO?"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "It's kind of an academic question. The more appropriate question to pose is, what if everybody were adherents of religions that fuse nationality and religion?"

THE QUESTION GIVES IT'S OWN RIDICULOUS ANSWER, DOESN'T IT?

BY THE WAY, AMERICAN TV HAS BEEN SHOWING VIDEO SNIPPETS, LATELY, OF JUST HOW BLINDLY ***CRAZZZY*** THOSE JEWISH RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS SETTLERS ARE (THE KIND THAT THE CORPORATE NEWS HAS GENERALLY BEEN NOT SHOWING). GEE!: AND WE THOUGHT THAT THE ***ORIGINAL*** ***NAZIS*** WERE HOMICIDALLY STONE COLD CRAZY!!!


>>>"THAT'S WHY MALCOLM X SAID THAT ZIONISM HAS NO INTELLIGENT BASIS IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY. "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Small wonder. His intelligence didn't suffice"

YES, COMPARED TO MALCOLM X, YOU'RE JUST A MENTAL GIANT, AREN'T YOU, 'CT'?


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "[MORE TYPICAL ZIONIST JEWISH ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING]"

YAWWWWWWNNNNN.....

the same critical thinker that turns his back on the starvation in sudan!

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698640_comment.php#1698643

(First off, some trolling anonymouse is apparently craving attention. So let me say this: hi anonymouse!)

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>>>"non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST"<<<

Just like nessie, Juif Antagoniste has modified the definition of racism to meet his own vagaries. Belittling the intelligence of a leader the way I did above, even if he aspired to lead people from only one particular racial group, isn't racism. If Malcolm X were White, I would have said exactly the same. Would that have made me racist? JA is nuts; I wasn't the first to say so.

CT: The Zionist Jews certainly didn't usurp ("take") someone else's land and homes. And the non-Jewish people there couldn't give their consent on a national level since they didn't constitute a people or a nation.

>>>"WELL, THEN THE NAZIS CERTAINLY DIDN'T "USURP/TAKE" THE LIVES OF 6 MILLION JEWS, SINCE THEY DIDN'T CONSTITUTE A NATION AND THUS COULDN'T "CONSENT/REFUSE' ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, HUH? "<<<

If you insist on digressing, at least try to maintain a semblance of honesty. The Nazis aspired to snuff out all Jews on the planet and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the allied victory. You also can't claim Jews weren't a single people worldwide, notwithstanding all the differences that set them apart from co-religinists from one country to the other. Who knows, if the Nazis had been able to press on beyond Europe and North Africa, perhaps world Jewry would have become united to resist an all-out extermination. You can't rule this possibility out of hand.

CT: No one except you is pondering the issue of European culpability and guilty conscience over the Holocaust. Stick to the topic.

>>>"BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH..."<<<

JA's loony blather speaks for itself.

CT: You don't even know whether I go to synagogue even once a year

>>>"THEN *WHAT* KIND OF **KOOKKKY** ZIONIST 'LOGIC' DO YOU BASE YOUR LONGING FOR YOUR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS' KINGDOM ON? -- A KINGDOM THAT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUPY ALL OF PALESTINE."<<<

Firstly, David's Unified Kingdom sure did occupy *all* of Palestine; it stretched even northwards and eastwards of historical Israel a.k.a. Palestine. Please go look at some map in a reliable history book or website on that era.
Secondly, I'm a democrat; I sure hope no monarchy is ever established in Israel. I'm not looking to restore Israel's biblical glory. I'm concerned with the present.
But you -- can we trust you not to try foisting a racist supremacist NOI kingdom on the US?

CT: The bond European and other non-Natives have with Texas doesn't stretch back further than the 19th century.

>>>"WELL, THE BOND THAT HITLER HAD WITH A RACIALLY PURE TUETONIC GERMANY WENT BACK -- AND FORTH -- FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, SO I GUESS THAT 'JUSTIFIED' HIS GENOCIDE AGAINST EUROPEAN JEWS, HUH? "<<<

First off, the Germanic tribes weren't "racially pure" as some of them included also Celts and Slavs. The ancient Germanic religions didn't include the notion of racist purity and supremacism. The Nazis just manufactured their own twisted version of the ancient Teutonic faiths.
Furthermore, prior to much of the 2nd half of the first millennium AD, different Teutonic tribes were migrating to various lands with no intent to establish a pan-Germanic national union or even a pan-Germanic empire -- most tribes pretty much tried to quench their own appetite for lebensraum. Hence the phenomenon of certain Germanic tribes moving to *north Africa* and occupying land there, or the Anglo-Saxon-Jute (and other tribes) arrival in the today's England, to say nothing of all the Viking journeys and conquests (the Vikings acted independently of other Germanic tribes and were even split between east Vikings and western Vikings)!
JA, your comparison doesn't actually hold water.

>>>"BLAH BLAH BLAH FOR WHICH THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL PROOF, BUT A GOOD DEAL OF HISTORICAL DOUBT (THE LEGEND OF THE EXODUS) BY ANY OTHER THAN ZIONIST ARCHEOLOGISTS! "<<<

That's revisionist anti-Zionist drivel that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Archeologists like the famed archeologist Albright, for example, on whom JA would he happy to heap scorn and ridicule, weren't all Zionist and were often big sceptics of the biblical narratives, but have found archeological proof in different locations for the veracity of many tangible details the H. Bible recounts about the Unified Israelite Kingdom from about 1025 BC to about 929 BC, not to mention what followed.
Similarly, there is indirect much evidence suggesting the existence of the Exodus notwithstanding the hyped biblical narrative. Hell, even non-Zionist archeologists not based in Israel disagree with at least some of the revisionist and unfounded claims made by revisionist Israeli archeologists like Dr. Israel Finkelstein regarding the Unified Kingdom period.

>>>"BLAH ZIONIST STATE BLAH BLAH SAME IDEOLOGICAL BALH JUSTIFY BLAH DISPOSSESSION BLAH NAZI BLAH JUSTIFY BAH"<<<

I have yet to hear even the most revisionist anti-Israel archeologists (as in genuine professionals) express such kookkk sentiment.

>>>"INCLUDING ARAB **JEWS** TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF AS THEIR RESPECTIVE ARAB HOMELANDS (OFTEN DRIVEN/COERCED OUT BY THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS LOOKING TO POPULATE ISRAEL)!"<<<

CT: This old lie is based on the testimony of some Iraqi Jew with a gripe, with which many other Iraqi Jews, not necessarily Zionist fanatics, disagreed.

>>>"WELL, NOW SOME OF YOUR AMERICAN/ISRAELI *JEWISH* HISTORIANS HAVE REVEALED THAT TO BE THE CASE."<<<

Your apparent racist oh-so btw swipe at those Jews notwithstanding, I'm content to realize you can see at least one lie for what it was.

>>>" IN FACT, MOST ARAB JEWS *HATED* THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS. THOSE ARAB JEWS DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR NATIVE-BORN ARAB LANDS WHERE THEY HAD MORE IN COMMON, SOCIOCULTURALLY, WITH ARABS THAN WITH RACIST EUROPEAN JEWS"<<<

CT: Yet another lie, compounded by a gross exaggeration. blah, blah, blah...

>>>"WELL, THEN YOU BETTER GO BACK AND READ THE HISTORY OF WHAT ARAB JEWS THOUGHT, THEN. "<<<

I've read and yet failed to find proof for your contention that *most* "Arab Jews" hated the European descented Zionists

>>>"EVEN TODAY, ANTI-ZIONIST AND *ZIONIST* ARAB JEWS HAVE SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES IN ARAB COUNTRIES. "<<<

That's true, but then their lovely Muslim hosts turned on them unprovoked and changed the minds of most of these people.

CT: Maybe JA should try a shrink for a change"

>>>"I'M NOT SOME ***WACKO*** ***NUTCASE*** ***PATHOLOGICALLY*** ***SEMI-GENOCIDALLY*** ***CRAZZZY*** OLE ZIONIST CLAIMING THAT "GOD" GAVE ONE OF MY NEARLY PRE-HISTORIC ANCESTORS A PROMISE TO SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND ***5,000*** YEARS AGO."<<<

I certainly ain't, and I have repeatedly distanced myself from what were probably just pure literary characteres like Abraham. I don't even believe in God. You, however, apparently believe in the NOI Allah, not excluding the once-a-month-arrival-of-a-spaceship-on-earth tenet.
As for your whacky pathological, rabidly racist craziness, let the readers judge. Whacky Wendy apparently figures your sane, but that's about it. Virtually everybody else have a counter opinion.
Oh, you did your usual fuzzy math. Abraham is said by people believing his existence and trying to reconcile it with science to have lived some 5800-5500 years ago.

>>>"AND THAT 2,000 YEARS AFTER WE HAD SOME TEMPORARY POLITICAL POSSESSION OF ONLY A PART OF IT, WE'VE COME BACK FROM ANOTHER CONTINENT FOR WHAT'S OURS!!! "<<<

But Jews had had religious, including a very potent national aspect), emotional and mental bonds with it wherever they lived. The closest it gets to that Jewish attachment is the Muslim example of the Islamic holy site in Saudi Arabia, but even this comparison is found lacking as there hadn't been Muslim Arab or Saudi Arabian nationalism in the Arabian peninsula fusing the religious Muslim attachment to Mecca and Medina until the last century, but more importantly, that attachment had been devoid of an Arab Muslim dimension of nationalism, and still lacks it for the most part.
What's more, even a dolt like you has inadvertently admitted that Jews had kept living in the Land of Israel until Zionism's advent and acknowledged the existence of Middle Eastern Jews. So much for every Jew moving in from other continents.
One thing you got right: the land was the Jews' to begin with, not the property of the Arabs who claim their families have been there for unbroken centuries or a millennium but had migrated from their own land/s.

>>>"NOW ARE ZIONISTS TOTALLLY, ABSOLUTELY *****LOOONNNIE***** OR WHAT!!!??? SO, BACK TO THE COUCH FOR YOU, 'CT'!!"<<<

All truths goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident, except by deranged whacks like JA.

>>>"WE'LL JUST **IGNORE** THAT OLD SAW. NOBODY BELIEVES IT BUT HARDCORE ARCH-ZIONISTS ANYWAY."<<<

Translation: I project my arch anti-Zionist non-belief on everybody else and am to psychologically conditioned to rationally evaluate what I've read

CT: JA's projecting his own anti-white racism on all Whites regardless of religious affiliation, who support or at least don't object to Jewish independence on 78% of the *western* part of their historic homeland.

>>>"ACTUALLY, MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING OTHER WHITES, ARE DAMN TIRED OF ZIONIST JEWS WHINING ON AND ON ABOUT SOME ANCIENT MYTHOLOGICAL RELIGIOUS CLAIM TO PALESTINE, ONCE: BLAH BLAH BLAH (insert your favorite anti-Zionist lie or exaggeration) BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

Many people are growing weary of the hysterical pro-Palestinian anti-Israel and Jew baiting canards, lies, phony complaints and what have you, coming from the likes of you who seek to establish a fake "Palestinian" history in the Land of Israel prior to the 20th century and undermine, not to say demolish, Jewish history there.

>>>"WHAT IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO TO BACK TO WHERE THEIR REILIGIOUS ANCESTORS LIVED 2,000 YEARS AGO?"<<<

CT: It's kind of an academic question. The more appropriate question to pose is, what if everybody were adherents of religions that fuse nationality and religion?"

>.>"THE QUESTION GIVES IT'S OWN RIDICULOUS ANSWER, DOESN'T IT? "<<<

My intent posing that question was to demonstrate it was superfluous to have raised your own, as there are no other people worldwide besides Jews and Samaritans whose religion entails such a fuse. So your question has no practical aspect or implication for the vast majority of the world population.

>>>"BY THE WAY, AMERICAN TV HAS BEEN SHOWING VIDEO SNIPPETS, LATELY, OF JUST HOW BLINDLY ***CRAZZZY*** THOSE JEWISH RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS SETTLERS ARE GEE!: AND WE THOUGHT THAT THE ***ORIGINAL*** ***NAZIS*** WERE HOMICIDALLY STONE COLD CRAZY!!!"<<<

Just like Sprye, JA is no stranger to this particular form of lying about Jews. For he seems to claim the Nazi mania is overshadowed by the most racist lunatic fringe Jewish residents of the disputed territories.

>>>"THAT'S WHY MALCOLM X SAID THAT ZIONISM HAS NO INTELLIGENT BASIS IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY. "<<<

CT: Small wonder. His intelligence didn't suffice to understand...

>>>"YES, COMPARED TO MALCOLM X, YOU'RE JUST A MENTAL GIANT, AREN'T YOU, 'CT'? "<<<

I'm certainly one compared to you, based on what you've posted.

Exposing lunacy is fun
by Crotical Thinker Monday, Oct. 25, 2004 at 4:16 AM:

WELL, YOU AMUSE AND EXCITE YOURSELF VERY EASILY -- EXPOSING YOUR LUNACY -- WITH YOUR CLINICAL EXHIBITIONISM.


CT: "Small wonder. His intelligence didn't suffice to understand..."

>>>"YES, COMPARED TO MALCOLM X, YOU'RE JUST A MENTAL GIANT, AREN'T YOU, 'CT'? "<<<

'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "I'm certainly one compared to you"


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "(First off, some trolling anonymouse is apparently craving attention. So let me say this: hi anonymouse!)"

SPEAKING OF ***ANONYMOUSE***..., "CROTICAL THINKER"!!
(What, are you -- the pot calling the kettle black -- changing your alias again!? Watch out Angie!!: "Cr*o*tical Thinker" is probably going to come after you, again, with his usual -- this time *VERY* thinly disguised (!!!) -- misogynist attacks.)

STUPID, COWARDLY ZZZIONIST!!
...

LET'S SEE, WE CAN SKIP 'CT'S BLAH, BLAH, BLAH ABOUT MALCOLM X...

'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "The Nazis aspired to snuff out all Jews..."

WHICH, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOW MORAL STANDARDS OF CONSENT, HITLER HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO, SINCE JEWS THEN *NOT* CONSTITUTE A NATION-STATE.


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "You also can't claim Jews weren't a single people worldwide"

DOES THIS MEAN THAT ASHKENAZI JEWS WOULD HAVE HAD TO STOP BEING RACIST AGAINST SLAVIC, ARAB, AND AFRICAN JEWS??? (In Israel, Arab Jews were even coerced to 'Hebrewize/Aglicize' their names.) And *NO*: Jews are *not* "a single people worldwide": That's the Zionists playing along with the *NAZIS* and *racializing* "the Jews". World Jewry constitutes numerous different ethnicities, with *far* greater sociocultural differences *between* them than within them! And, to repeat, as many Arab Jews have said, "We socioculturally [of course] have more in common with Arabs than we do with European Jews."


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Secondly, I'm a democrat"

ZIONISM AND DEMOCRACY IS AN INHERENT CONTRADICTION. A DEMOCRACY CANNOT BE AN IDEOLOGICALLY, SEMI-THEOCRATIC AND RACIALLY/ETHNICALLY SELF-DEFINED STATE. A STATE IS NOT A "DEMOCRACY" MERELY BECAUSE IT CALLS ITSELF ONE.

A STATE (ISRAEL) WHERE A WOMAN CANNOT INITIATE A DIVORCE AND MARRIAGE MUST BE THOUGH A RABINICAL COURT, AND WHERE IF HER HUSBAND DISAPPEARS HIS BROTHER MUST APPROVE THE DIVORCE, IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.

ISRAEL IS, LIKE SOME OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, A (SEMI-)THEOCRATIC STATE, APPROXIMATING THE ONES THAT ZIONISTS ALWAYS CRITICIZE.

I REITERATE: FORMER EAST GERMANY, "THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC" WAS *NOT* A DEMOCRACY, MERELY BECAUSE IT CALLED ITSELF ONE. SOUTH AFRICAN WAS *NOT* A DEMOCRACY MERELY BECAUSE IT CALLED ITSELF ONE. THE SLAVERY U.S. WAS NOT A DEMOCRACY, MERELY BECAUSE IT CALLED ITSELF ONE. THEY WERE ALL REPUBLICS, BUT HARDLY TRUE DEMOCRACIES.


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "First off, the Germanic tribes weren't "racially pure"..."

AND NEITHER ARE EUROPEAN JEWS.


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "The ancient Germanic religions didn't include the notion of racist purity and supremacism. The Nazis just manufactured their own twisted version of the ancient Teutonic faiths."

JUST LIKE THE ZIONISTS MANUFACTURED THEIR *TWISTED* VERSIONS OF RACIAL IDEOLOGY (ZIONISM), RELIGIOUS SUPREMACY ("THE CHOSEN PEOPLE"), AND RACIAL SUPREMACY (ZIONISM).


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: [BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ...ATTEMPTING TO GIVE US A HISTORY LESSON THAT 'PROVES' THAT "GOD" PROMISED PALESTINE TO THE JEWS AND THIS IS WHY THE JEWS DESERVE TO TAKE IT.]

WOULDN'T IT BE JUST PURELY *LAUGHABLE* IF ZIONISTS WEREN'T ALSO MEGALOMANIACALLY GENOCIDAL!?

ONLY THE MINIMAL ADVANCEMENT OF JUST ENOUGH MORAL CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE SO-CALLED CIVILIZED WORLD PREVENTS ZIONISTS FROM DOING TO PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT HITLER DID TO EUROPEAN JEWS.


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "That's revisionist anti-Zionist drivel that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.[AND MORE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ZIONIST 'HISTORY' 'LESSONS']"

THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE.

*EVEN* 'MENTAL GIANT', **Critical Thinkifier**, ANTI-BLACK RACIST, HIMSELF (AHEM) SHEEPISHLY ADMITS THIS WHEN HE SAYS: "the Exodus notwithstanding the hyped biblical narrative" -- AND THIS IS WHAT NATIONALIST ZIONISM IS RELIGIOUSLY BASED ON! SORT OF LIKE "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"!!! HAHAHA!!! BUT HEY!: THE ZIONISTS WILL KEEP GOING ON TRYING TO MANUFACTURE AND CONSTANTLY *SUPPOSE* THE EVIDENCE!!!

WELL, MAYBE OLE PHAROAH WAS *THINKING* ABOUT THE BIBLICAL STORY OF THE EXODUS!!


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: [TRYING TO DISSUADE OTHERS FROM SEEING THE PARALLELS BETWEEN NAZISM AND ZIONISM.]

THE TROUBLE IS THAT ONCE YOU COMPARE THE TWO IDEOLOGIES, THE COMPARISON IS UNAVOIDABLE!

THAT'S WHY NOT ONLY CRITICS, BUT EVEN, SOMETIMES, *PROPONENTS* OF ZIONISM HAVE MADE THE COMPARISON, AS ONE IDF SOLDIER REPORTED (IN "LETTER TO AMERICAN JEWS FROM AN ISRAELI REFUSENIK") WHEN HE SAID THAT AN ISRAELI MILITARY COMMANDER EXLCAIMED:

"LET'S BE JUDEO-NAZIS!"


SKIPPING, SKIPPING, OVER THE NONSENSE, SKIPPING, ...IT'S WAY LATE...


>>>"EVEN TODAY, ANTI-ZIONIST AND *ZIONIST* ARAB JEWS HAVE SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES IN ARAB COUNTRIES. "<<<

'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "That's true,"

WONDERFUL THAT YOU ALSO MUST CONCEDE THIS TOO! MAKES MY WORK JUST THAT MUCH EASIER!

(You see, the 'strange' thing about Zionists is that once they know that you know what, as an anti-Zionist, you're talking about, they often reluctantly *AGREE* -- they aren't like other racists in this regard -- or like 'CT' with my other posts, just never return to the argument again and quietly slink away! The problem is that when they are not purely BS'ing, they have often been brainwashed too -- and don't themselves know what they're talking about!)


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "but then their lovely Muslim hosts turned on them unprovoked and changed the minds of most of these people."

WELL, IT IS GENERALLY NOW KNOWN THAT **MOSSAD** "CHANGED [MANY OF] THEIR MINDS" WITH THE MOSSAD BOMBINGS IN ARAB JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS, MADE TO LOOK LIKE ARAB BOMBINGS. ZIONISTS AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL ALSO USED OTHER METHODS OF PRESSURE AND COERCION.

IT'S HARDLY THE ONLY TIME THAT ISRAEL HAS BOMB PLACES AND TRIED TO POSE AS ARABS IN DOING SO, PLAYING UPON WESTERN WHITE RACISM": 'OH YEAH, JUST THE KIND OF THING THOSE DASTARDLY SWARTHY PEOPLE WOULD DO!'


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "I don't even believe in God. [AND THEN MORE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..., ZIONIST HISTORY'LESSONS']"

OH GREAT! 'CT' EXPOSES HIMSELF AGAIN. (HE WAS BOUND TO LOSE THE INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL ARGUMENT EITHER WAY.)

SO 'CT' PURELY BASES THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO RETURN' AND THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO PALESTINE' SOLELY ON THE BASIS THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS (SINCE EUROPEAN JEWS, AFTER 2,000 YEARS IN THE DIASPORA, ARE HARDLY SOME PURE RACE) ONCE LIVED THERE, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, **2, 000** YEARS AGO AND 'KEPT IT IN THEIR HEARTS'!!

WELL, BOOO-HOOO! IT TAKES A LOT TO MAKE ME CRY!!

I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS ***NUTTIER*** -- THE ZIONIST RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT OR THE ZIONIST SECULAR ARGUMENT!! (OR CRAZZZY OLE 'CT'S "SENTIMENTAL ARGUMENT"!!)


'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "What's more, even a dolt like you has inadvertently admitted that Jews had kept living in the Land of Israel until Zionism's advent"

I 'LOVE' IT WHEN A ZIONIST DOLT CALLS SOMEONE ELSE "A DOLT", THINKING THAT THE ZIONIST DOLT HAS THE OTHER PERSON CORNERED!

--AND THOSE ARAB JEWS (ABOUT 3-6% OF PALESTINE) WHO WERE INDIGENOUS -- RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PALESTINIANS -- ALSO ***HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE!!!*** AND THOSE ARAB JEWS *DID* LIVE THERE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIAN ARABS -- WHO COULD HAVE EASILY EXTERMINATED THE ARAB JEWS, IF THE PALESTINIANS 'JUST HATED JEWS AND WANTED TO PUSH THEM INTO THE SEA'.

IT'S THE ***EUROPEAN*** JEWS AND THE JEWS THEY BROUGHT IN FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD -- EVEN PEOPLE WHO NEVER THOUGHT OF THEMSELVES AS JEWS, AND/OR WHO LARGELY *WEREN'T* JEWISH (SOME, IN FACT, FORCED TO "CONVERT") -- WHO ***DIDN'T*** HAVE A RIGHT TO INVADE PALESTINE WITH THE FORE-INTENTION OF SEMI-GENOCIDALLY DISPOSSESSING THE PALESTINIAN ARABS AND SETTING UP A FOREIGN NATION-STATE!!

THE ARABS DIDN'T KICK THE HEBREWS/ISRAELITES OUT OF PALESTINE, THE ***ROMANS*** -- EUROPEANS -- DID!!


>>>"NOW ARE ZIONISTS TOTALLLY, ABSOLUTELY *****LOOONNNIE***** OR WHAT!!!??? SO, BACK TO THE COUCH FOR YOU, 'CT'!!"<<<

'MENTAL GIANT', Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "All truths goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident, except by deranged whacks like JA."

I'M TELLIN' YA: SOMETIMES YOU ALMOST GOT TO 'LOVE' THESE IDIOTS -- THEY MAKE YOUR WORK SO EASY!!

YO, CRITICAL THINKIFIER!! YOU KNOW WHO SAID WHAT YOU LOOSELY PARAPHRASED? ***MAHATMA GANDHI!*** -- AND HE WAS AS PASSIONATELY OPPOSED TO ZIONISM AS HE WAS TO ANTI-SEMITISM!!

GANDHI SAID THAT ZIONISM WOULD BE "A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY"!!

THANKS FOR THE PARAPHRASED 'QUOTE'!! (YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO SAID IT, DID YOU!?) AND GANDHI WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LIBERATON STRUGGLES -- NOT ABOUT RACIAL CONQUEST AND SETTLER-COLONIALISM (AS GANDHI WAS, QUITE NATURALLY, BOTH AND ANTI-RACIST AND AN ANTI-COLONIALIST).

OKAY, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO STOP WITH 'CT'S NONSENSE!

AND FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT *ZIONISTS* PROPAGANDISTICALLY CALL PALESTINE (THEIR "TRANSJORDAN ARGUMENT/JUSTIFICATION/SLEIGH-OF-HAND"): PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE LIVED -- ESPECIALLY CONTINUOUSLY FOR CENTURIES -- WITHOUT BEING VIOLENTLY MASS DISPOSSESSED -- ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

AND IT DOESN'T MORALLY MATTER IF THE PLACE WASN'T EVEN CALLED *ANYTHING*! -- I.E., NOT ANYTHING ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE EUROPEANS. AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY LIVE. (JUST LIKE THE INUIT HAVE/HAD THAT RIGHT, OR INDIGENOUS SOUTH PACIFIC ISLANDERS HAVE/HAD THAT RIGHT, JUST LIKE THE NATIVE AMERICANS HAD THAT RIGHT.)

JUST BECAUSE EUROPEAN SETTLER-COLONIALISTS MADE IT SO THAT THERE ARE NOW MORE "JEEP CHEROKEES" THAN *REAL* CHEROKEES, DOESN'T GIVE ZIONISTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ONE DAY HAVE FAR MORE "JEEP PALESTINIANS" THAN *REAL* PALESTINIANS REMAINING IN PALESTINE.

Did Critical Thinker said that all of the non-Jews had to be killed just because they are non-Jews?
What he did say against the blacks?
As for "the chosen people", I suggest you read the Bible. Perhaps you are able to understand what that means, and then you can properly speak about the matter.
And as for real Palestinians, don't forget that the real Palestinians are the Jews.

>>>"WHICH, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOW MORAL STANDARDS OF CONSENT, HITLER HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO, SINCE JEWS THEN *NOT* CONSTITUTE A NATION-STATE. "<<<

You pulled that one out of your rear. You just had too much trouble seeing your argument shot down so in your despair you're trying to make it seem as though you "won".

CT: You also can't claim Jews weren't a single people worldwide .

>>>"DOES THIS MEAN THAT ASHKENAZI JEWS WOULD HAVE HAD TO STOP BEING RACIST AGAINST SLAVIC, ARAB, AND AFRICAN JEWS???"<<<

I don't dig this moronic question. Suffice it to say though, that "Slavic Jews" *are* Ashkenazi.

>>>"(In Israel, Arab Jews blah blah)"<<<

And Nixon wasn't a crook.

I'll dismiss JA's following thoughts as the bull they are and mover on to what's worthy of some rebuttal/

>>>"World Jewry constitutes numerous different ethnicities, with *far* greater sociocultural differences *between* them than within them!"<<<

Like it or not, there's a meta-ethnicity that sets Jews apart from other ethnicities and peoples, even if its sole practical implication is that Jews somehow are known to be Jewish. Any reasonably informed person knows that even Jews who have successfully shed any trace of their Jewishness short of converting to another faith are treated uniquely by their non-Jewish acquaintances *for being Jewish*, even if only subconsciously, and are routinely lumped together in certain manners with other Jews -- not only for religious reasons, but even on national/ethnic grounds at times, because anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism tend to co-exist and be intwined. The only exception to this is when a Jew somehow isn't aware of his Jewishness.

Now let's skip over some more ranting tripe, pointless childish talk-back and lying hype.

>>>"THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE. BLAH BLAH BLAH "<<<

You're probably insane anyway, so there's no wonder you're twisting my statement into what you want to hear. Jump up and down all you wish, but the truth remains: there's much indirect archeological evidence that some sort of Israelite Exodus from Egypt occurred.
If you're curious, go to the thread "the missing link" or Url E. Bird posted on and you'll get to read some of that indirect evidence.

>>>"AND THIS IS WHAT NATIONALIST ZIONISM IS RELIGIOUSLY BASED ON! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

Zionism religious base encompasses many more themes, Juif Antagoniste.

>>>"THE TROUBLE IS THAT ONCE YOU COMPARE THE TWO IDEOLOGIES, THE COMPARISON IS UNAVOIDABLE!"<<<

To those like you who disingenuously impose their pre-conceived concepts on the comparison, that is.

>>>"THAT'S WHY NOT ONLY CRITICS, BUT EVEN, SOMETIMES, *PROPONENTS* OF ZIONISM HAVE MADE THE COMPARISON, AS ONE IDF SOLDIER REPORTED (IN "LETTER TO AMERICAN JEWS FROM AN ISRAELI REFUSENIK") WHEN HE SAID THAT AN ISRAELI MILITARY COMMANDER EXLCAIMED: "LET'S BE JUDEO-NAZIS!" "<<<

Even to the extent you're being truthful, you're taking one lone jerk and making his attitude the prevalent one. No wonder you're such a mental midget.

>>>"IT IS GENERALLY NOW KNOWN THAT **MOSSAD** "CHANGED [MANY OF] THEIR MINDS" WITH THE MOSSAD BOMBINGS IN ARAB JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS, MADE TO LOOK LIKE ARAB BOMBINGS. IT'S HARDLY THE ONLY TIME THAT ISRAEL HAS BOMB PLACES AND TRIED TO POSE AS ARABS IN DOING SO, PLAYING UPON WESTERN WHITE RACISM": 'OH YEAH, JUST THE KIND OF THING THOSE DASTARDLY SWARTHY PEOPLE WOULD DO!' "<<<

You really imagine you'll dupe informed folks into believing these lies? Time to change one of your idols from Goebbles to another, I guess.

CT: I don't even believe in God.

>>>"OH GREAT! 'CT' WAS BOUND TO LOSE THE INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL ARGUMENT EITHER WAY. "<<<

Enlighten us how. You seem to be the only poster to know.

>>>"SO 'CT' PURELY BASES THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO RETURN' AND THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO PALESTINE' SOLELY ON THE BASIS THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS (SINCE EUROPEAN JEWS, AFTER 2,000 YEARS IN THE DIASPORA, ARE HARDLY SOME PURE RACE) ONCE LIVED THERE, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, **2, 000** YEARS AGO AND 'KEPT IT IN THEIR HEARTS'!! "<<<

There are tons of evidence, archeological and otherwise, for the presence of Jews throughout the millennia, both before and after the point you referred to, in the land. You slipped and inadvertently pulled down your textual house of cards by implying the equation "a people = a race", all the more so by dragging out in obsesive fashion your European Jews, as if there weren't Jews in other continents, not to say the Middle East, including the Land of Israel. What a clod you are.

CT: "What's more, even a dolt like you has inadvertently admitted that Jews had kept living in the Land of Israel until Zionism's advent"

>>>"--AND THOSE ARAB JEWS (ABOUT 3-6% OF PALESTINE) WHO WERE INDIGENOUS -- RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PALESTINIANS -- ALSO ***HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE!!!*** AND THOSE ARAB JEWS *DID* LIVE THERE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIAN ARABS --"<<<

Those "Palestinian" Arabs had no right to treat the indigenous and other Jews as third class citizens, discriminate against them, persecute, abuse and physically attack them at whim.

I'll hop over some more trite AZ lies

CT: All truths go through three stages. First they are ridiculed. Then they are violently opposed. Finally, they are accepted as self-evident, except by deranged whacks like JA."

>>>"BLAH BLAH YOU KNOW WHO SAID WHAT YOU LOOSELY PARAPHRASED? ***MAHATMA GANDHI!*** -- BLAH BLAH (YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO SAID IT, DID YOU!?) AND BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

JA unexpectedly produces priceless proof of his ignorance -- I was paraphrasing the German philosopher Schopenhauer.

>>>"AND FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT *ZIONISTS* PROPAGANDISTICALLY CALL PALESTINE: PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE LIVED -- ESPECIALLY CONTINUOUSLY FOR CENTURIES -- WITHOUT BEING VIOLENTLY MASS DISPOSSESSED -- ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

Once again, JA will never realize how he vindicated his opponent: Jews had a right to live *everywhere they had lived* in the Land of Israel, including Judea-Samaria, especially continuously for centuries on end, without being violently ethnically cleansed -- all the more so indigenous Jews!
The non-Jewish locals, consisting of more indigenous people than local Jews did, didn't constitute a people back then.

LUNCH BREAK...!:


>>>"WHICH, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOW MORAL STANDARDS OF CONSENT, HITLER HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO [GENOCIDE], SINCE JEWS THEN *NOT* CONSTITUTE A NATION-STATE. "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: [NO INTELLECTUAL RESPONSE TO *THAT*, JUST A LOT OF HOT AIR BLATHER.]


>>>"DOES THIS MEAN THAT ASHKENAZI JEWS WOULD HAVE HAD TO STOP BEING RACIST AGAINST SLAVIC, ARAB, AND AFRICAN JEWS???"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "I don't dig this moronic question."

"I DON'T *DIG*"...? WHAT ARE YOU, 'CT', SOME *BLACK* "SOUL BROTHA", NOW? OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO BE SOME REALLY URBAN WHITE HIPSTER??? HAHAHAHAHA...!!

WELL, 'CT', YOU CAN'T BE A SOUL BROTHA -- BECAUSE YOU'RE A **RACIST**!!


'CT', YOU BARELY MAKE ANY VERBAL SENSE IN *STANDARD* ENGLISH!! WHY DON'T YOU JUST STICK TO *THAT*? LEAVE THE BLACK URBAN VERNACULAR TO *ME*. HAHAHA!!


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Suffice it to say though, that "Slavic Jews" *are* Ashkenazi."

WELL, MANY NAZI-ERA GERMAN JEWS, AT THE TIME, AT FIRST SAID THAT SLAVIC JEWS WERE GIVING GERMAN JEWS A BAD NAME!!

A CZECH FRIEND OF MINE SAID THAT SHE WAS ONCE IN A JEWELRY STORE WHERE THE ELDERLY EUROPEAN-BORN ASHKENAZI WOMAN OWNER WAS GOING ON AND ON ABOUT *ROMANIAN* JEWS (GO FIGU'A!) BEING THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!!

AND I NOTICE THAT 'CT' LEFT OUT *ARAB JEWS* AND *BLACK JEWS* FROM YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT ASHKENAZI JEWISH RACISM AGAINST OTHER, AND ESPECIALLY, ARAB AND BLACK JEWS.


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "And Nixon wasn't a crook. [NON SEQUITUR]"

AS I SAID, 'CT' HARDLY MAKES ANY SENSE IN STANDARD ENGLISH!


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Like it or not, there's a meta-ethnicity...[THEN WE GET SOME ASTOUNDING CONVOLUTED VERBAL GYMNASTICS!!]."

OH, BEFORE YOU CLAIMED THAT "JEWS WERE A *SINGLE* PEOPLE"!

NOW, THAT, *BEFORE*, I ANTHROPOLOGICALLY PROVED THAT 'CT' IS *WRONG*, *NOW*, HE'S CLAIMING WITH AN ATTEMPTED SLEIGHT-OF-HAND THAT "THERE'S A *META*-ETHNICITY"!! WHAT A *MORON*!!!

THEN HE GOES INTO HIS USUAL ZIONIST ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING, CLAIMING THAT EVEN IF NON-JEWISH WHITES *AREN'T* -- OR *'DON'T KNOW'* -- THAT THEY'RE ALL "ANTI-SEMITIC", THEY'RE ALL *"subconsciously"* ANTI-SEMITIC ANYWAY!!

NOW DOES THAT REVEAL AN UTTER NARCISSISTIC *PERSECUTION COMPLEX* BY 'CT' OR WHAT!!?

*I* DON'T EVEN SAY THAT ABOUT ANTI-*BLACK* RACISM AND WHITES!!: 'THAT THEY'RE ALL ANTI-BLACK WHETHER THEY KNOW IT OR NOT!!'

MAYBE 'CT' CAN EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY NON-JEWISH WHITES IN THE WEST ARE MARRYING JEWS (LIKE A LOT OF NON-JEWISH WHITE-AMERICAN POLITICIANS) -- AND AT LEAST HALF (OR SOMEWHAT OVER HALF) OF AMERICAN JEWS AREN'T EVEN RELIGIOUS -- THAT SOME JEWS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE OF 'THE JEWISH RACE'!?

OR IS THAT AN NON-JEWISH ANTI-SEMITIC PLOT, 'CT'?: TO *MARRY* JEWS (AND HAVE THEIR KIDS) INTO EXTINCTION!?


>>>"THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE. BLAH BLAH BLAH "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...you're twisting my statement... there's much **indirect** archeological evidence that ***some sort of*** _Israelite_ [*NOT* THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF MODERN EUROPEAN JEWS] Exodus from Egypt occurred."

"***SOME SORT OF***???

WELL!!: *THERE'S* ***RINGING*** PROOF!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!

OH, IT'S ***"INDIRECT"*** ALRIGHT...!!!

THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO ONE CAN SEE IT BUT *CRAZZZY* FUNDAMENTALIST ZIONIST JEWS AND THEIR *CRAZZZY* FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN **ANTI-SEMITIC** ALLIES WHO 'LOVE' THE ZIONIST JEWS (AND THE ZIONIST JEWS LOVE THEM BACK!), BUT WANT TO SEE THE JEWS ALL FORCE-CONVERTED "BY GOD" OR DAMNED TO HELL ON "JUDGEMENT DAY"!!

NOW, TELL ME: ARE ZIONIST JEWS A BUNCH OF *CRAZZZY* LOONS -- JUST LIKE THOSE RABID FANATICAL SETTLERS -- OR WWWHHHATTT!!

HAHAHA!!


>>>"THAT'S WHY NOT ONLY CRITICS, BUT EVEN, SOMETIMES, *PROPONENTS* OF ZIONISM HAVE MADE THE COMPARISON, AS ONE IDF SOLDIER REPORTED (IN "LETTER TO AMERICAN JEWS FROM AN ISRAELI REFUSENIK") WHEN HE SAID THAT AN ISRAELI MILITARY COMMANDER EXLCAIMED: "LET'S BE JUDEO-NAZIS!" "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Even to the extent you're being truthful,..."

HMMM...., ADMITTING THAT IT'S **TRUE**, HUH, 'CT'?

(ANYONE CAN GO GOOGLE THE LETTER. OR I THINK THAT THE URL IS SERUV.ORG.IL)


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...you're taking one lone jerk and making his attitude the prevalent one."

THERE ARE *HUNDREDS* OF REFUSENIKS IN ISRAEL, INCLUDING **OFFICERS**!! AND NUMEROUS ISRAELI JEWS HAVE SIGNED ON TO THE LETTER.

ANYONE CAN GO READ THE LETTER AND SEE WHO SOUNDS LIKE THE "MENTAL MIDGET" (TO QUOTE ANOTHER SLUR OF YOURS AGAINST LITTLE PEOPLE, MOST OF WHOM ARE UNDOUBTEDLY A LOT MORE INTELLIGENT THAT YOU ARE, "NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER").


>>>"IT IS GENERALLY NOW KNOWN THAT **MOSSAD** "CHANGED [MANY OF] THEIR MINDS" WITH THE MOSSAD BOMBINGS IN ARAB JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS, MADE TO LOOK LIKE ARAB BOMBINGS. IT'S HARDLY THE ONLY TIME THAT ISRAEL HAS BOMB PLACES AND TRIED TO POSE AS ARABS IN DOING SO, PLAYING UPON WESTERN WHITE RACISM": 'OH YEAH, JUST THE KIND OF THING THOSE DASTARDLY SWARTHY PEOPLE WOULD DO!' "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "You really imagine you'll dupe informed folks into believing these lies?"

WELL, LOCAL FOLKS CAN JUST GO ASK STANFORD UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR (AND CHAIR OF THE WHOLE "NORTH AMERICAN MIDDLE EASTERN HISTORY SOCIETY", AS WELL AS PUBLIC LECTURER) JOEL BEININ -- JEWISH-AMERICAN SCHOLAR.

OR SHOULD THEY JUST AS *YOU*, 'CT'!? HAHAHA!!


>>>"SO 'CT' PURELY BASES THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO RETURN' AND THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO PALESTINE' SOLELY ON THE BASIS THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS (SINCE EUROPEAN JEWS, AFTER 2,000 YEARS IN THE DIASPORA, ARE HARDLY SOME PURE RACE) ONCE LIVED THERE, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, **2, 000** YEARS AGO AND 'KEPT IT IN THEIR HEARTS'!! "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "There are tons of evidence, archeological and otherwise, for the presence of Jews throughout the millennia, both before and after the point you referred to, in the land. You slipped... What a clod you are. ...What's more, even a dolt like you has inadvertently admitted that Jews had kept living in the Land of Israel until Zionism's advent..."

SO I MERELY REPEAT:

>>>"--AND THOSE ARAB JEWS (ABOUT 3-6% OF PALESTINE) WHO WERE INDIGENOUS -- RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PALESTINIANS -- ALSO ***HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE!!!*** AND THOSE ARAB JEWS *DID* LIVE THERE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIAN ARABS --"<<<


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Those "Palestinian" Arabs had no right to treat the indigenous and other Jews as third class citizens, discriminate against them, persecute, abuse and physically attack them at whim."

FIRST OF ALL, THE HEBREWS [NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF MODERN-DAY EUROPEAN JEWS] WERE NOT THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF PALESTINE.

SECOND, YOU *TALK* A LOT, BUT OFFER NO PROOF FOR YOUR WAFFLING STATEMENTS. THERE WERE NO ANTI-JEWISH POGROMS OR HOLOCAUSTS IN PALESTINE -- NOTHING LIKE IN EUROPE. AND JEWS IN PALESTINE WERE ALWAYS ALLOWED TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION.

BUT, TELL US, **WHAT** ETHNIC GROUP DID THE HEBREWS CONQUER IN GETTING TO ANCIENT PALESTINE AND SETTING UP THEIR KINGDOMS???

THIRD, EVEN MOSHE DAYAN (ISRAEL'S CELEBRATED MILITARY GENERAL) ADMITTED THAT HE GREW UP AS A CHILD PLAYING WITH ARAB KIDS, BUT STILL ADMITTED THAT "AFTER ALL, WE JEWS ARE TAKING THEIR LAND".

FOURTH, EVEN EUROPEAN JEWS WHO HAD FAMILIES IN PALESTINE BEFORE ZIONISTS INVADED HAVE READILY SAID THAT JEWS AND ARABS (INCLUDING CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS) LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE (AS MUCH AS HUMAN BEINGS EVER DO).

FIFTH, THE PALESTINIANS _ARE A CONTINUOUSLY INDIGENOUS_ PEOPLE.

FINALLY, IT WAS THE *ROMANS* -- ANOTHER EUROPEAN PEOPLE -- WHO DROVE THE ISRAELITES (AGAIN, NOT THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF MODERN-DAY EUROPEAN JEWS) OUT OF PALESTINE (AND EVEN THEN, SOME STAYED OR **CAME BACK** AFTER THE ROMAN LEGIONS LEFT).

SO, YOUR BEEF IS WITH THE **ROMANS**, 'CT'. GO TO **ITALY** AND CLAIM YOUR ZIONIST STATE THERE AS PAYMENT!!


>>>"BLAH BLAH YOU KNOW WHO SAID WHAT YOU LOOSELY PARAPHRASED? ***MAHATMA GANDHI!*** -- BLAH BLAH (YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO SAID IT, DID YOU!?) AND BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "JA unexpectedly produces priceless proof of his ignorance -- I was paraphrasing the German philosopher Schopenhauer."

NOW YOU'RE QUOTING **GERMANS**? HAHAHA...!!

IF SO, THEN SO DID ***GANDHI***!!!


>>>"AND FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT *ZIONISTS* PROPAGANDISTICALLY CALL PALESTINE: PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE LIVED -- ESPECIALLY CONTINUOUSLY FOR CENTURIES -- WITHOUT BEING VIOLENTLY MASS DISPOSSESSED -- ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Once again, JA will never realize how he vindicated his opponent: Jews had a right to live *everywhere they had lived...*"

'CT' IS A ***VERY*** SLOW-LEARNING RACIST. SO..., LET'S GO BACK!:

>>>"--AND THOSE ARAB JEWS (ABOUT 3-6% OF PALESTINE) WHO WERE INDIGENOUS -- RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PALESTINIANS -- ALSO ***HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE!!!*** AND THOSE ARAB JEWS *DID* LIVE THERE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIAN ARABS --"<<<

NOW, DO *PALESTINIANS* HAVE "A RIGHT TO LIVE EVERYWHERE THEY HAD LIVED" WITHOUT BEING VIOLENTLY MASS DISPOSESSED?


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...in the Land of Israel, including Judea-Samaria..."

HEY ***STOOOPID***!: THERE WAS NO "LAND OF ISRAEL" FOR ***2,000*** YEARS.

TAKE THE *CRACK* PIPE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!!


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...especially continuously for centuries on end..."

AGAIN, MODERN-DAY EUROPEAN JEWS ARE **NOT** THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF EITHER THE HEBREWS OR THE ISRAELITES, THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS.

OF THOSE MODERN-DAY EUROPEAN JEWS WHO ARE STILL RELIGIOUS AT ALL, MOST DON'T EVEN PRACTICE THE SAME KIND OF RELIGION!!

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...especially continuously for centuries on end..."

MODERN-DAY EUROPEAN JEWS HAVEN'T LIVED THERE FOR ***2,000*** YEARS. WHEN THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS DID, THEY WEREN'T THE FIRST. AND WHEN THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS DID, THEY WERE ONLY IN TEMPORARY POLITICAL CONTROL.

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...without being violently ethnically cleansed..."

GO TAKE IT UP WITH THE ***ROMANS***!!


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "The non-Jewish locals, consisting of more indigenous people than local Jews did, didn't constitute a people back then."

JUST LIKE EUROPEAN COLONIALISTS -- ESPECIALLY SETTLER-COLONIALISTS -- SAID ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE -- "THEY DON'T CONSTITUE A PEOPLE, SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT: DRIVE THEM OFF, KILL THEM OFF, TAKE THEIR LAND, TAKE THEIR WATER, PLOW UNDER THEIR FARMS, AND BUILD OUR TOWNS/CITIES OVER THE RUINS OF THEIRS, WHATEVER" -- WHEREVER THE EUROPEANS WENT.

AND SOME PEOPLE SAID THIS ABOUT JEWS TOO: "THEY DON'T CONSTITUTE A PEOPLE". MY, HOW RACISM LEARNS FROM RACISM!


AND, *FINALLY*...:

=========================================================

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "If you're curious, go to the thread "the missing link"..."

YO, 'CT'!!...: ***YOU'RE*** "THE MISSING LINK"!!!

***HAHAHAHAHA!!!***


=========================================================

Jack Ass:
>>>"WHICH, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOW MORAL STANDARDS OF CONSENT, HITLER HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO [GENOCIDE], SINCE JEWS THEN *NOT* CONSTITUTE A NATION-STATE. "<<<

>>>"[NO INTELLECTUAL RESPONSE TO *THAT*, JUST A LOT OF HOT AIR BLATHER.]"<<<

You just stated your conjecture. I didn't believe it deserved an intellectual retort. (Funny that you're inadvertently conceding I do produce intellectual responses, eh?)

CT: Suffice it to say though, that "Slavic Jews" *are* Ashkenazi.

>>>"[Telling anecdotes and otherwise dancing around the meat of the fact I stated, instead of simply moving on to the next point -- all so he could give himself another chance to emphasize the negative and divisive within the Jewish people, relating the less than ideal relationship between various sub-divisions of Askenazi Jews.]"<<<

Yawn...

>>>"AND I NOTICE THAT 'CT' LEFT OUT *ARAB JEWS* AND *BLACK JEWS* FROM YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT ASHKENAZI JEWISH RACISM AGAINST OTHER, AND ESPECIALLY, ARAB AND BLACK JEWS. "<<<

Because I don't run my mouth when I don't see fit too. See, that's what sets us apart. If we were discussing the internal divisions within the African-American community, you would be posting a screed trumpeting some imaginary ideal condition rather than recognize there's a problem and move on to discuss the next topic.

CT: Like it or not, there's a meta-ethnicity...

>>>"BEFORE YOU CLAIMED THAT "JEWS WERE A *SINGLE* PEOPLE"! NOW, THAT, *BEFORE*, I ANTHROPOLOGICALLY PROVED THAT 'CT' IS *WRONG*, *NOW*, HE'S CLAIMING WITH AN ATTEMPTED SLEIGHT-OF-HAND THAT "THERE'S A *META*-ETHNICITY"!! WHAT A *MORON*!!! "<<<

I used the term meta-ethnicity to help you absorb the concept of Jewish ethnicity. A German Jew being considered an "ethnic German of the Mosaic faith" during the 19th century and early 20th century never fully nullified all vestiges of ethnicity binding him to non-German Jews. Jews' tangible common denominator worldwide may seem like they are merely members of a religious community, but they aren't simply a religious community. It goes beyond that point since Jewish ethnicity is grafted into Judaism. I know you're a slow learner , but then again, what else is new.

>>>"THEN HE GOES INTO HIS USUAL ZIONIST ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING, CLAIMING THAT EVEN IF NON-JEWISH WHITES *AREN'T* -- OR *'DON'T KNOW'* -- THAT THEY'RE ALL "ANTI-SEMITIC", THEY'RE ALL *"subconsciously"* ANTI-SEMITIC ANYWAY!! BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

You're twisting my words into your desired contortion.

>>>"MAYBE 'CT' CAN EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY NON-JEWISH WHITES IN THE WEST ARE MARRYING JEWS (LIKE A LOT OF NON-JEWISH WHITE-AMERICAN POLITICIANS) -- AND AT LEAST HALF (OR SOMEWHAT OVER HALF) OF AMERICAN JEWS AREN'T EVEN RELIGIOUS -- THAT SOME JEWS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE OF 'THE JEWISH RACE'!? "<<<

Now JA is has totally digressed.

Jack Ass:
>>>"THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE. BLAH BLAH BLAH _Israelite_ [*NOT* THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF MODERN EUROPEAN JEWS] "<<<

So, what did JA add now? He's back to his favorite race baiting "European Jews" shtick under the guise of stating a quite readily obvious fact. Then he proceeds to spout more Zionist baiting crap.

>>>"IT IS GENERALLY NOW KNOWN THAT **MOSSAD** "CHANGED [MANY OF] THEIR MINDS" WITH THE MOSSAD BOMBINGS IN ARAB JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS, MADE TO LOOK LIKE ARAB BOMBINGS. IT'S HARDLY THE ONLY TIME THAT ISRAEL HAS BOMB PLACES AND TRIED TO POSE AS ARABS IN DOING SO, PLAYING UPON WESTERN WHITE RACISM": 'OH YEAH, JUST THE KIND OF THING THOSE DASTARDLY SWARTHY PEOPLE WOULD DO!' "<<<

CT: You really imagine you'll dupe informed folks into believing these lies?

>>>"WELL, LOCAL FOLKS CAN JUST GO ASK STANFORD UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR (AND CHAIR OF THE WHOLE "NORTH AMERICAN MIDDLE EASTERN HISTORY SOCIETY", AS WELL AS PUBLIC LECTURER) JOEL BEININ -- JEWISH-AMERICAN SCHOLAR. OR SHOULD THEY JUST AS *YOU*, 'CT'!?"<<<

You expect sane people to believe that Beinin's version should be trusted over that of Iraqi Jews who subscribe to the opposing version. Ha ha ha...

>>>"SO 'CT' PURELY BASES THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO RETURN' AND THE JEWS 'RIGHT TO PALESTINE' SOLELY ON THE BASIS THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS (SINCE EUROPEAN JEWS, AFTER 2,000 YEARS IN THE DIASPORA, ARE HARDLY SOME PURE RACE) ONCE LIVED THERE, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, **2, 000** YEARS AGO AND 'KEPT IT IN THEIR HEARTS'!! "<<<

CT: There are tons of evidence, archeological and otherwise, for the presence of Jews throughout the millennia, both before and after the point you referred to, in the land. You slipped... What a clod you are..

>>>"SO I MERELY REPEAT: [a statement he had already made, all in an attempt to obscure my statement. ]"<<<

CT: Those "Palestinian" Arabs had no right to treat the indigenous and other Jews as third class citizens, discriminate against them, persecute, abuse and physically attack them at whim.

>>>"[Making more hysterical irrelevant claims beating around the bush, also involving his morbid European Jewish obsession]

"THERE WERE NO ANTI-JEWISH POGROMS OR HOLOCAUSTS IN PALESTINE -- NOTHING LIKE IN EUROPE.

So whatever persecution, abuse, physical attacks, murder and dhimmitude status they endured morally passes your muster.

"AND JEWS IN PALESTINE WERE ALWAYS ALLOWED TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION."

Yeah, but at what cost! You have an obvious interest to make little of their suffering under various Muslim occupations because you just can't stand for a historical fact that morally undermines your particular brand of AZ pro-Paslestinism.

"BUT, TELL US, **WHAT** ETHNIC GROUP DID THE HEBREWS CONQUER IN GETTING TO ANCIENT PALESTINE AND SETTING UP THEIR KINGDOMS??? "

Forget your European Jewish props for a moment and stick into your ears that "the Hebrews" weren't the anthropological equivalent of the Israelites. There was never a Hebrew nation; "Hebrew" was a social classification for a person in the Near East -- very often a Cana'anite or an Israelite -- who became at a certain point lawless or chose lawlessness as a way of life. A Hebrew's nationality seldom had any connection with their being Hebrew. I suggest you go read the Holy Land History thread by MH (which you despise of course) and the various comments; they might help you fathom the topic at least 4 seconds (I know you'll promptly push your Alzheimer button and dispose of the knowledge you have acquired/). Anyway, your ignorant question amounts to a logical fallacy and as such can't be duly replied to.

"FOURTH, EVEN EUROPEAN JEWS WHO HAD FAMILIES IN PALESTINE BEFORE ZIONISTS INVADED HAVE READILY SAID THAT JEWS AND ARABS (INCLUDING CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS) LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE (AS MUCH AS HUMAN BEINGS EVER DO)."

(Surprise, surprise) You mean Jews of the Satmar and NK variety?

>>>"FIFTH, THE PALESTINIANS _ARE A CONTINUOUSLY INDIGENOUS_ PEOPLE. "<<<

You're engaging in the anti-metry of denial of a certain historical reality or denial in reverse, insisting on fiction as though it were fact.

>>>"FINALLY, IT WAS THE *ROMANS* -- ANOTHER EUROPEAN PEOPLE -- WHO DROVE THE ISRAELITES OUT OF PALESTINE (AND EVEN THEN, SOME STAYED OR **CAME BACK** AFTER THE ROMAN LEGIONS LEFT) SO, YOUR BEEF IS WITH THE **ROMANS**, 'CT'. GO TO **ITALY** AND CLAIM YOUR ZIONIST STATE THERE AS PAYMENT!! "<<<

Even if you go back 3000 years ago, you can't obscure the fact that Jews' rights to keep living where they'd been dwelling for unbroken centuries or in excess of a millennium were denied them in a violent manner.

But I can employ your own logic and say, your ancestors were sold to slavery by Arab slave dealers who at times employed Black minions to help them kidnap the would-be slaves, so your beef actually isn't with the WASPS but rather with African Arabs, so go establish your NOI state or autonomy somewhere in the N.African part of the Arab expanse.

>>>"AND FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT *ZIONISTS* PROPAGANDISTICALLY CALL PALESTINE: PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE LIVED -- ESPECIALLY CONTINUOUSLY FOR CENTURIES -- WITHOUT BEING VIOLENTLY MASS DISPOSSESSED -- ESPECIALLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

CT: Once again, JA will never realize how he vindicated his opponent: Jews had a right to live *everywhere they had lived...*

>>>"'CT' IS A ***VERY*** SLOW-LEARNING RACIST. SO..., LET'S GO BACK!: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH]"<<<

JA's tired smokescreen at work.

CT: ...especially continuously for centuries on end...

>>>"[Repeating his favorite brand of chewed up Jew baiting]"<<<

CT: The non-Jewish locals, consisting of more indigenous people than local Jews did, didn't constitute a people back then.

>>>"[Yet more pointless excuses to avoid at least a tacit admission of the fact.]"<<<

Let America now imagine this. Imagine waking up tomorrow in an upside-down world, one in which the history of America's relations with the Arabs is inverted. Iraq is now the global hegemon, the world's richest democracy, a beacon of freedom; Iraq and the Arab democracies dominate the world and what was once the USA. Imagine that the Arabs have used their power to replace a United States of America with forty-four nominally independent states - with states for native Americans, African-Americans, Asians, Latinos, Italian Americans, German Americans, Anglo-Americans, Jews, Mormons, Sikhs, the Amish, etc - with most of these states run by despotic Iraqi surrogates.

Iraq, after colonizing New England and ethnically cleansing its native inhabitants, has converted it into an exclusive, racist, colonial-settler state for Arabs brought in from Sudan who were dying from a severe drought, the worst in a thousand years. This state, Arabistan, is by far the most powerful of the states on the American continent. It is Iraq's strategic asset in the Americas, periodically mounting incursions against the neighboring states from where the New Englander refugees wage occasional guerilla attacks on Arabistan.

Starting in March 2003, the Iraqi marines, supported by two divisions from Palestine, had invaded and occupied Texas. The Iraqi administration argued that this was a preemptive invasion to prevent the fanatical Texans from developing biological weapons. However, some Arab publications on the Left have argued that the Texan oilfields were Iraq's real target. It is well known that production from the Arab oil fields has been declining since 1997.

What would the Americans, now split, divided, corralled into forty-four racial, ethnic and sectarian states do if they found themselves in such a world? Would they resent the surrogate despotisms that ruled over them with Iraqi arms and money? Would some of their young men, faced with overwhelming Iraqi power, resort to suicidal attacks within Iraq itself? Would they too hate the Iraqis and Arabs and attack them because they are free, prosperous and democratic?

What would the New Englanders do, now scattered in refugee encampments in New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio? Would they dream of returning to their country? Would they demand the right to return to their homes in New England? Would they demand compensation for the homes they had lost? Would they hate the Sudanese settlers who now lived in their homes, their towns and cities?

What would all the other Americans do if the New Englanders began to wage a campaign of terror against Iraqi interests in the former USA? What would they do if Arabistan - the Iraqi surrogate - then retaliated by bombing New York, Detroit, Washington and Albany? What would they do if the Iraqi media accused them ad nauseum of hating Iraq's free, open, democratic society?

If only Americans could imagine all this - imagine all this for even a few seconds - how would this change the way they think about what their country, the United States, together with its democratic ally, Israel, have been doing to the Arabs? Can Americans imagine this? What would it do if they could imagine this - even for a few seconds? Would they recognize in their imagined pain, in their imagined humiliation, in the imagined wars and destruction imposed upon them, the real wars, occupations, massacres, ethnic cleansings, tortures, bombings, sanctions and assassinations endured by Palestinians and Iraqis for more than eight decades?

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1677.shtml

I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCHOPENHAUER, BUT IS *THIS* THE SCHOPENHAUER THAT YOU QUOTE, 'CT'?:

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/eckart_2.htm

"Every time new and promising opportunities for meddling have arisen," he brought out, "the Jew has been immediately involved. He has demonstrated an uncanny ability to sniff out like a bloodhound anything which was dangerous to him. Having found it, he uses all his cunning to get at it, to divert it, to change its nature, or, at least, to deflect its point from its goal. Schopenhauer called the Jew 'the dregs of mankind,' 'a beast,' 'the great master of the lie.' How does the Jew respond? He establishes a Schopenhauer Society. Likewise, the Kant Society in his work, in spite of the fact that -- or, rather, because -- Kant summarily declared the Jewish people to be a 'nation of swindlers.' [33] The same with the Goethe Society. 'We tolerate no Jews among us,' said Goethe. 'Their religion permits them to rob non-Jews,' he wrote. 'This crafty race has one great principle: as long as order prevails, there is nothing to be gained,' he continued. He categorically emphasized: 'I refrain from all cooperation with Jews and their accomplices. [34] All in vain; the Jewish Goethe Society is still there. It would be there even if he himself had expressly forbidden such knavery."


THEN THERE'S:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C3858%2C4082666-103552%2C00.html

"During the 1870s, Wagner fell under the dual influences of the philosopher Schopenhauer and the pioneer of "racial science" Count Joseph Gobineau. From Schopenhauer he derived the idea that Christianity was polluted by its Jewish origins and required purification."

Well, this is a moment I'll cherish for years to come: I nailed your university educated pompous, arrogant and rather ignorant a**, and you even seem embarrassed at your hitherto ignorance of a philosopher I have heard about and quoted. Which also goes to show how sloppy you often are while doing your anti-Zionist spew!

Say hello to Sprye (Mr. anti-oligarchy a.k.a "oligarch")...

QUICK COFFEE BREAK TIME!!: THANK GOODNESS FOR CUT-&-PASTE! THIS'LL BE QUICK WORK!:

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...the negative and divisive within the Jewish people..."

AHHH..., SO 'CT' **FINALLY** ADMITS ASHKENAZI (EUROPEAN) JEWISH ***RACISM*** AGAINST NON-EUROPEAN (AND EVEN SLAVIC) JEWS!!


>>>"AND I NOTICE THAT 'CT' LEFT OUT *ARAB JEWS* AND *BLACK JEWS* FROM YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT ASHKENAZI JEWISH RACISM AGAINST OTHER, AND ESPECIALLY, ARAB AND BLACK JEWS. "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Because I don't run my mouth when I don't see fit too. [READ: "I'M TRYING TO **HIDE** THAT FACT!! -- BUT DAMNIT YOU *KNEW* IT ALREADY!!"]"

OH, YOU SEEM TO "RUN YOUR MOUTH" **ALLL* TOO OFTEN! BUT, FORTUNATELY, YOU TYPICALLY STICK YOUR **FOOT** IN IT!!


>>>"BEFORE YOU CLAIMED THAT "JEWS WERE A *SINGLE* PEOPLE"! NOW, THAT, *BEFORE*, I ANTHROPOLOGICALLY PROVED THAT 'CT' IS *WRONG*, *NOW*, HE'S CLAIMING WITH AN ATTEMPTED SLEIGHT-OF-HAND THAT "THERE'S A *META*-ETHNICITY"!! WHAT A *MORON*!!! "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "I used the term meta-ethnicity to TRY TO THROW UP MORE DUST -- BUT DAMNIT, IT ISN'T WORKING!! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..."


>>>"THEN HE GOES INTO HIS USUAL ZIONIST ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING, CLAIMING THAT EVEN IF NON-JEWISH WHITES *AREN'T* -- OR *'DON'T KNOW'* -- THAT THEY'RE ALL "ANTI-SEMITIC", THEY'RE ALL *"subconsciously"* ANTI-SEMITIC ANYWAY!! BLAH BLAH BLAH"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "You're twisting my words: STOP TRICKING ME WITH STANDARD ENGLISH, **LOGIC** AND THE **TRUTH**!!"


>>>"MAYBE 'CT' CAN EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY NON-JEWISH WHITES IN THE WEST ARE MARRYING JEWS (LIKE A LOT OF NON-JEWISH WHITE-AMERICAN POLITICIANS) -- AND AT LEAST HALF (OR SOMEWHAT OVER HALF) OF AMERICAN JEWS AREN'T EVEN RELIGIOUS -- THAT SOME JEWS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE OF 'THE JEWISH RACE'!? "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "Now JA is has totally digressed. AGAIN, HE'S TRICKING ME WITH **FACTS**!! DON'T GO THERE, JA!! ...IT RUINS MY ENTIRE ARGUMENT ABOUT ALL NON-JEWISH WHITES BEING 'GENETICALLY' ANTI-SEMITIC, WHETHER THEY KNOW/ADMIT IT OR NOT!!"


>>>"THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE. BLAH BLAH BLAH _Israelite_ [*NOT* THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF MODERN EUROPEAN JEWS] "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "So, what did JA add now? He's back to his favorite race baiting "European Jews" shtick under the guise of stating a quite readily obvious **fact**. AND SINCE I CAN NO LONGER DENY WHAT HE SAYS, I MIGHT AS WELL FINALLY ADMIT IT, BUT STILL CALL HIM ANTI-SEMITIC! **DAMN** THAT JA! HE KNOWS TOO MUCH!!"


>>>"WELL, LOCAL FOLKS CAN JUST GO ASK STANFORD UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR (AND CHAIR OF THE WHOLE "NORTH AMERICAN MIDDLE EASTERN HISTORY SOCIETY", AS WELL AS PUBLIC LECTURER) JOEL BEININ -- JEWISH-AMERICAN SCHOLAR. OR SHOULD THEY JUST AS *YOU*, 'CT'!?"<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "You expect sane people to believe that Beinin's version..."

NO, 'CT', WE SHOULD BELIEVE *YOU*!! HAHAHA!!

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...should be trusted over that of Iraqi Jews who subscribe to the opposing version."

NO, WE SHOULD BELIEVE WHAT **YOU** *CLAIM* IRAQI JEWS 'SAID'.

(BY THE WAY, THERE ARE *STILL* SOME JEWS LEFT IN ARAB COUNTRIES. NO ONE'S KILLED THEM OFF YET.

AND GET THIS!: NOW THE ZIONISTS ARE CLAIMING THAT GERMANY IS ALLOWING TOO MUCH JEWISH IMMIGRATION INTO **GERMANY**!! -- BECAUSE, APPARENTLY, THOSE JEWISH IMMIGRANTS PREFER **GERMANY** -- INCLUDING MUNICH AND BERLIN(!!!) -- TO *ISRAHELL*!!!

AREN'T THOSE ZIONISTS JUST ABSOLUTELY *CRAZZZY* OR WWWHHHATTT!!? HAHAHAHAHA!!)


Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "There are tons of evidence, archeological and otherwise, for the presence of Jews throughout the millennia, both before and after the point you referred to, in the land. You slipped... What a clod you are.."

'CT'S BRAIN IS OBVIOUSLY MADE OF ROCKS. SO LET'S GO BACK (CUT-&-PASTE; THE PEOPLE WITH BRAINS, WHO COULD READ BEFORE, CAN JUST SKIP BEYOND THE DOUBLE LINES):

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>>>"THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLICAL STORY/VERSION OF THE EXODUS TOOK PLACE. BLAH BLAH BLAH "<<<

Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST: "...you're twisting my statement... there's much **indirect** archeological evidence that ***some sort of*** _Israelite_ [*NOT* THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL EQUIVALENT OF MODERN EUROPEAN JEWS] Exodus from Egypt occurred."

"***SOME SORT OF***???

WELL!!: *THERE'S* ***RINGING*** PROOF!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!

OH, IT'S ***"INDIRECT"*** ALRIGHT...!!!

THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO ONE CAN SEE IT BUT *CRAZZZY* FUNDAMENTALIST ZIONIST JEWS AND THEIR *CRAZZZY* FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN **ANTI-SEMITIC** ALLIES WHO 'LOVE' THE ZIONIST JEWS (AND THE ZIONIST JEWS LOVE THEM BACK!), BUT WANT TO SEE THE JEWS ALL FORCE-CONVERTED "BY GOD" OR DAMNED TO HELL ON "JUDGEMENT DAY"!!

NOW, TELL ME: ARE ZIONIST JEWS A BUNCH OF *CRAZZZY* LOONS -- JUST LIKE THOSE RABID FANATICAL SETTLERS -- OR WWWHHHATTT!!

HAHAHA!!

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SO I MERELY REPEAT:

>>>"--AND THOSE ARAB JEWS (ABOUT *****3-6%***** OF PALESTINE) WHO WERE INDIGENOUS -- RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PALESTINIANS -- ALSO ***HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE!!!*** AND THOSE ARAB JEWS *DID* LIVE THERE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIAN ARABS --"<<<

'CT' ISN'T TOO BRIGHT, AS WE ALL KNOW: MAYBE HE MISSED THE *****3-6%***** PART -- BEFORE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS DELUGED PALESTINE WITH THEIR SCHEME TO DISPOSSESS THE PALESTINIAN ARABS. THE *INDIGENOUS* ARAB JEWS **NEVER** CALLED FOR AN IDEOLOGICALLY JEWISH-SUPREMACIST (ZIONIST) NATION-STATE AND EVEN OPPOSED IT!!

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NOW, WE CAN JUST SKIP 'CT'S EVEN MORE OBVIOUS SUBSEQUENT MOSTLY ANTI-SEMITE-BAITING DODGING! HAHAHA!!

...ANNND MORE ZIONIST HISTORICAL DUST-THROWING DODGING...

THE END.

WELL!: THAT'S THAT!!

*YYYAP* ONNN..., 'CT', ANTI-BLACK RACIST.

Non-Critical Thinkifier: "Well, this is a moment I'll cherish for years to come: I nailed your university educated pompous, arrogant and rather ignorant a**, and you even seem embarrassed at your hitherto ignorance of a philosopher I have heard about and quoted."


"EMBRRASSED"!!?? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

WHAT A **BUFFOON** 'CT' IS!!: APPARENTLY *SO* HAPPY THAT I'M NOT CONVERSANT ABOUT EVERY *EUROPEAN* PHILOSOPHER THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN CARE ABOUT WHAT SCHOPENHAUER APPARENTLY SAID ABOUT *JEWS*!! -- OR EVEN HOW HITLER SUPPOSEDLY USED SCHOPENHAUERS WORDS IN HITLER'S "MEIN KAMPF"!!

SO, 'CT', WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT CHEIKH ANTA DIOP? WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT "CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM"? THEOPHILE OBENGA? NZINGA OSEGI? GRACE LEE BOGGS? TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT GEORGE JAMES? AIME CESAIRE? CYRIL JAMES? WOLE SOYINKA? ROBERT WILLIAMS? ALPAHEUS HUNTON? PAULE MARSHALL? HARRIET JACOBS? KWAME TURE? SAM GREELEE? MOLEFI ASANTE?

A question for you:

So do you mean that Hitler was right because he based the killing of Jews on some Schopenhauer's ideas?

JA is a useless, ranting idiot.

People who still want to refuse Israel's right to even exist are not "peace" activists. They're just "destroy israel" idiots.

There will be no peace as long as the "Israel has no right to even exist" crap is promoted and acted on.

If you want peace, you promote peace alongside israel, not the destruction of the little jewish state.

The honest, fair, educated progressive left don't like ariel sharon, or arafat, and don't like occupation, but they also don't like maniacs like hamas who appear to be the #1 candidates to gain control of land israel may give back in exchange for peace (which would not come if people like arafat or hamas gain control).

Good members of the progressive left understand it's a complex issue. And they also understand that it is insane to expect israeli jews, after what they've been through for the last 2000 years, to simply give up the state they've built and become a minority in an islamic majority. GIving up israel is unrealistic, insane and absurd.

Bad members of the progressive left just want to keep reminding people over and over about some "unfair" stuff that happened 60 years ago and want to use that as justification towards destroying the jewish state today. Or, they single israel out as favoring jews and use that as an excuse to destroy it, which is absurd. Jews are not one race, they are a collection of races, bonded together by thousands of years of language, history, culture, etc. Muslims have over 50 states/countries. Jews have one tiny state. The chinese have a homeland. The muslims have tons of homelands. The brits have a homeland. The "historic palestinian" homeland is JORDAN. Every long-time unique group of people on earth ahve a homeland. Singling israel out for destruction is antisemitic.

Learn the difference between the GOOD progressive left, and the EVIL progressive left.

Here's a hint: the evil progressive left uses the same logic to promote israel's destruction as davidduke, the kkk, neo nazi websites, etc.

Your analysis is great. Many thanks.

Why then do you feel the need to respond to him?

I wasn't replying to JA but to the person who replied to him.

YO, 'CT'!!: YOU CAN *RRRUNNN*, BUT YA CAN'T *HIDE*!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!

I CAN SMELL YOUR MENTAL **STENCH** *WHATEVER* COWARDLY ALIAS YOU USE!!

HAHAHAHAHA!!

AND NOW THAT -- **ONCE AGAIN** (HAHAHA) -- YOU CAN'T REBUT MY REMARKS, YOU'VE STARTED ON ANOTHER HOT AIR MONOLOGUE!!

non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "JA is a useless, ranting idiot."

YOUR OLD TIRED WORDS (RECYCLED AS OFTEN AS YOUR PATHETIC ZIONIST PROPAGANDA) -- "useless", "ranting" (your favorite word), "idiot" -- **GIVE YOU AWAY**. HAHAHA!!


AND, I GUESS THAT YOU'VE JUST DECIDED TO START OVER AGAIN AND RECYLE THE SAME OLD GARBAGE THAT YOU WERE INTELLECTUALLY, HISTORICALLY, AND MORALLY DEFEATED ON BEFORE!!

SO, LET'S GO!!:

non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Bad members of the progressive left just want to keep reminding people over and over about some "unfair" stuff that happened 60 years ago..."

YOU MEAN LIKE THE INITIAL ETHNIC CLEANSING OF 750,000 TO 1, 000,000 PALESTINIAN ARABS, SO THAT JEWS WHO WERE GENOCIDALLY OPPRESSED BY *EUROPEANS* IN *EUROPE* COULD -- IN TURN (IN A SCHEME ALMOST A HALF-CENTURY BEFORE THE HOLOCAUST) -- GO SEMI-GENOCIDALLY OPPRESS ANOTHER PEOPLE AND CALL RESISTANCE TO THAT BRUTAL OPPRESSION "ANTI-SEMITISM"?


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "...and want to use that as justification towards destroying the jewish state today."

THAT'S **RIGHT**!! TO **ABOLISH** THE POLITICALLY, LEGALLY, AND IDEOLOGICALLY SELF-DEFINED "THE JEWISH[-SUPREMACIST/ZIONIST] STATE" AND REPLACE IT WITH A **TRUE** MULTICULTURAL POLITICAL DEMOCRATIC STATE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RELIGION, RACE, OR ETHNICITY.

THAT'S **RIGHT**!! TO **ABOLISH** THE APARTHEID STATE OF ISRAEL.

JUST LIKE "THE WHITE CHRISTIAN STATE" OF APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA WAS **ABOLISHED** AND REPLACED WITH A TRUE MULTICULTURAL POLITICAL DEMOCRATIC STATE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RELIGION, RACE, OR ETHNICITY.

THAT'S RIGHT!! JUST LIKE THE APARTHEID STATE OF SOUTH AFRICA WAS **ABOLISHED**.

(Though, unfortunately, *economic* apartheid still exists.)


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Or, they single israel out as favoring jews and use that as an excuse to destroy it, which is absurd."

I'VE *ALREADY* DEFEATED YOU ON THIS POINT ABOVE, 'CT'.


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Jews are not one race, they are a collection of races,"

YES, 'CT' -- REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THAT JEWS WERE "A *SINGLE* PEOPLE"? -- AND I REBUTTED YOU ON THAT. THEN, YOU WERE FORCED TO AGREE WITH ME, REALIZING THAT, AS USUAL, YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

EXCEPT THAT JEWS ARE NOT, BIOLOGICALLY, "A COLLECTION OF RACES", BECAUSE "RACES" DO NOT BIOLOGICALLY EXIST: HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT SPECIATED. ("RACES" ONLY EXIST IN LEGALLY-CONSTRUCTED AND POPULARLY-CONTRIVED FICTION.) JEWS REPRESENTED IN NUMEROUS AND WIDELY DISPARATE *ETHNCITIES* AND CULTURES, OR EVEN IN DISPARATE "RACES".


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "...bonded together by thousands of years of language,..."

YOU MEAN THAT ARAB JEWS, BLACK JEWS, OR CHINESE JEWS ALL SPOKE **YIDDISH**!!?? -- OR **HEBREW**!!?? -- OR GERMAN, FRENCH, ITALIAN, RUSSIAN, SPANISH, ENGLISH, ETC.!!?? -- FOR "thousands of years"!!??

HAHAHA!! WHAT A **MORON**!!


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "...history,..."

SO YOU MEAN THAT ARAB JEWS, BLACK JEWS, OR CHINESE JEWS ALL EXPERIENCED THE EXACT SAME HISTORY AS ASHKENAZI JEWS!!??


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "...culture, etc."

YOU MEAN THAT ARAB JEWS, BLACK JEWS, CHINESE JEWS AND ASHKENAZI JEWS ALL SHARED THE SAME CULTURE?? -- ALL SPOKE THE SAME LANGUAGE?? -- ALL ATE THE SAME FOOD?? -- ALL WORE THE SAME ATTIRE?? -- ALL PLAYED THE SAME MUSIC?? -- ALL HAD THE SAME SOCIAL CONVENTIONS?? ETC.??

YEAH, 'RRRRIGHT'.


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Muslims have over 50 states/countries. Jews have one tiny state."

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE **WRONG**: THERE ARE *NOT* 50 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD THAT POLITICALLY AND IDEOLOGICALLY DEFINE THEMSELVES AS "ISLAMIC STATES". (IF I AM WRONG, THEN YOU *NAME* THEM.)

ISLAM IS A *RELIGION*. ARE YOU SAYING THAT JEWS ARE "JEWISH" ONLY IF THEY ARE *RELIGIOUSLY* JEWISH?

IF YOU TAKE THAT POSITION (WHICH SOME PEOPLE *DO*!), THEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A PSEUDO-FIGLEAF COVER THAT JUSTIFIES THE STATE OF ISRAEL, EVEN UNDER *YOUR* TERMS! THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT JEWS ARE NO MORE "A PEOPLE" THAN ARE CHRISTIANS (WHO WERE ALSO ONCE BRUTALLY PERSECUTED!).

SO, TODAY I AM AFRICAN AMERICAN. TOMORROW IF I CONVERTED TO JUDAISM, I WOULD BE ETHNICALLY *JEWISH* JUST LIKE ***YOU***!! HAHAHAHAHA!! *I'LL* BUY THAT!! HAHAHA!! ***OY VEY!!*** MATZO BALLS, ANYONE?

(I'VE ALREADY GOT A JEWISH NAME, SO I'M HALFWAY THERE!! *THEN* [LIKE ON SEINFELD] CAN I TELL JEWISH JOKES!!?? HAHAHA!!)

WELL, ASHKENAZI JEWS (THE ONES WHO SUFFERED THE HOLOCAUST) ARE *EUROPEAN* -- AND EUROPEANS HAVE ABOUT AT LEAST AS MANY STATES -- ON SEVERAL CONTINENTS ('THANKS' TO THEIR GENOCIDAL ASSAULT ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLE TOO) -- AS YOU CLAIM "MUSLIMS" DO.

AND, FINALLY, ON THIS POINT OF YOURS ABOVE: THAT, HYPOTHETICALLY, *STILL* WOULD **NOT** MORALLY JUSTIFY EUROPEAN JEWS THEMSELVES GOING -- ALSO, LIKE THE EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS, WITH THE BIBLE AND THE GUN -- TO ANOTHER CONTINENT TO ETHNICALLY CLEANSE, MASSACRE, DRIVE OFF, AND MASS DISPOSESS ANOTHER PEOPLE AND TAKE OVER ANOTHER PEOPLE'S HOME AND IMPOSE A FOREIGN, APARTHEID, NATION-STATE UPON THEM.


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "The chinese have a homeland. The muslims have tons of homelands. The brits have a homeland."

GEE, THIS FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT HAS GROWN LONG, GREY WISKERS, BUT THE ZIONISTS STILL RECYCLE IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AD NAUSEUM.

CHINA DOES NOT POLITICALLY, LEGALLY, AND IDEOLOGICALLY DEFINE ITSELF AS "THE CHINESE STATE". CHINA -- LIKE PALESTINE -- IS A *MULTICULTURAL* COUNTRY -- AND *NOT* AN APARTHEID STATE.

"BRITS" IS *NOT* AN ETHNICITY -- AND BRITAIN DOES *NOT* POLITICALLY, LEGALLY, AND IDEOLOGICALLY DEFINE ITSELF AS "A WHITE STATE".

"THE MUSLIMS" NO MORE HAVE "A HOMELAND" PER SE THAN DO "THE CHRISTIANS". MOST COUNTRIES THAT WE IN THE WEST CALL "MUSLIM STATE" HAVE MORE THAN ONE RELIGION (AND HISTORICALLY THAT ALSO INCLUDED CHRISTIANS AND *JEWS*).

HISTORICALLY, THE LARGEST JEWISH POPULATIONS IN THE ARAB WORLD -- *FAR* OUTNUMBERING JEWS IN PALESTINE -- WERE IN MOROCCO AND IRAQ!!


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "The "historic palestinian" homeland is JORDAN."

THAT DOG JUST WON'T HUNT HERE ANYMORE! *BESIDES*, HAVEN'T YOU ZIONIST JEWS SPENT OVER HALF A CENTURY -- LIKE YOU PERSONALLY HAVE HERE BEFORE, 'CT' -- **DENYING**, LIKE GOLDA MEIR DID, THAT THERE WAS ANY SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN???

non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Every long-time unique group of people on earth ahve a homeland."

FIRST: YOU SAID, ""Jews are not one race, they are a collection of races", SO THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE "A UNIQUE PEOPLE", NOW WOULD THEY?

HMMM..., HOIST BY YOUR OWN PETARD!

SECOND: MODERN, ESPECIALLY WESTERN, NATIONS TODAY DO NOT CONTAIN "UNIQUE GROUPS OF PEOPLE". MODERN NATIONS (AS WELL AS MANY EARLIER NATIONS) ARE (WERE) **MULTICULTURAL** -- AND INCREASINGLY SO BY MULTIPLICITIES.

SO, ONE IS "GERMAN" WHETHER ONE IS WHITE, BLACK, ASIAN, ARAB, PERSIAN, LATIN, ETC., CHRISTIAN, JEWISH, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST, SIKH, HINDI, ATHEIST, WHATEVER. THE SAME IS TRUE FOR "ITALIAN", "DUTCH", OR EVEN "IRISH", ETC..

EVEN JEWS ARE ARAB, WHITE/EUROPEAN, BLACK/AFRICAN, ASIAN, LATIN, ETC.

ALL THOSE ETHNICITIES LEGALLY ARE ACCORDED, IN THEORY, ABSOLUTELY EQUAL RIGHTS REGARDLESS OF THEIR ETHNICITIY, "RACE", OR RELIGION, SO LONG AS THEY ARE CITIZENS OF THAT PARTICULAR COUNTRY.

NOT EVEN GERMANY TODAY DEFINES ITSELF AS "AN (ETHNIC) GERMAN NATION".

non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "Singling israel out for destruction is antisemitic."

IT'S BEEN *CLEAR* THAT YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH READING(/MEMORY), 'CT', BUT, AGAIN, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH ABOVE.


NEXT TIME, 'CT', BE MAN ENOUGH TO TRY TO AT LEAST CARRY ON THE SAME ARGUMENTS WITH THE SAME COWARDLY, IRONIC ALIAS.

OR JUST DO LIKE YOU DID BEFORE IN OTHER THREADS WHERE I ROYALLY DEFEATED YOU (YA WANT ME TO BUMP THEM UP AGAIN?): JUST BE DEFEATED.

I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of the content of the other contributor's post that slammed you.

Btw, Juif Antagoniste, I've seen on many IMC's your childish attention craving anti-gehrig copies of an "article" and by the looks of it, hardly anyone gives a damn. Most IMCistas appear to spot your childish lunacy much more readily than even I thought.

non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of the content of the *OTHER* contributor's post"

GEE, I *WONDER* **WHY**!!??? HAHAHA!!


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "...that slammed you."

UH-HUH... THEN WHY DID YOU RESORT TO *ANOTHER* COWARDLY ALIAS!!???


non-Critical Thinkifier, ANTI-BLACK RACIST!: "hardly anyone gives a damn."

**OBVIOUSLY** ***YOU*** **DO**!!

HAHAHA!!

PUH-LEEEZ!
That is the biggest load of backwards nonsense I've ever heard. You're rediculous.

EVERY GENOCIDAL OR SEMI-GENOCIDAL STATE (LIKE THE UNITED STATES WITH THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE BELGIAN CONGO, APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA, TURKEY WITH THE ARMENIANS, EVEN AUSTRALIA WITH THE ABORIGINES, HISTORICALLY AMONG TOO MANY OTHERS) -- LIKE THE NAZI STATE -- TRIED TO ELIMINATE TWO THINGS ABOUT THE INDIGENOUS/NATIVE PEOPLE THEY WERE/ARE (ATTEMPTING TO) DEHUMANIZE AND ELIMINATE: THEIR *HISTORY* IN THE LAND AND THEIR VERY *PERSONHOOD* (CULTURALLY AND LITERALLY).

THIS IS WHAT "NON-CRITICAL THINKIFIER, ANTI-BLACK RACIST", REPEATEDLY TRIES TO DO TOO IN EVERY THREAD RELATED TO ISRAEL!! -- TAKING AFTER THE ZIONIST JEW JOAN PETER'S *'SHINING'* EXAMPLE IN HER WIDELY ZIONIST-LOVED BOOK, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", THE ZIONIST 'MEIN KAMPF'.

SO, THE ZIONIST STATE OF ISRAEL -- AND THE ZIONIST IDEOLOGY -- MERELY FOLLOWS -- OR IS PREDICATED UPON -- THE VERY SAME GENOCIDAL PARADIGM.

>>>"EVERY GENOCIDAL OR SEMI-GENOCIDAL STATE (blah blah blah...) -- LIKE THE NAZI STATE -- TRIED TO ELIMINATE TWO THINGS ABOUT THE INDIGENOUS/NATIVE PEOPLE THEY WERE/ARE (ATTEMPTING TO) DEHUMANIZE AND ELIMINATE: THEIR *HISTORY* IN THE LAND AND THEIR VERY *PERSONHOOD* (CULTURALLY AND LITERALLY).

THIS IS WHAT "NON-CRITICAL BLAH" REPEATEDLY TRIES TO DO TOO IN EVERY THREAD RELATED TO ISRAEL!! -- TAKING AFTER THE ZIONIST JEW JOAN PETER'S *'SHINING'* EXAMPLE IN HER WIDELY ZIONIST-LOVED BOOK, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL", THE ZIONIST 'MEIN KAMPF'.

SO, THE ZIONIST STATE OF ISRAEL -- AND THE ZIONIST IDEOLOGY -- MERELY FOLLOWS -- OR IS PREDICATED UPON -- THE VERY SAME GENOCIDAL PARADIGM."<<<

JA.NOI's two last paragraphs are pure just insanity, especially the last. As for the second, he must know whereof he's coming.

its that all you got?