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the 4th plane: questions
anomalies regarding the fourth aircraft that terminated lethally in Pennsylvania
Topic: the fourth plane
Date: 10-20-01 13:25
Has the international media agreed to ignore the anomalies regarding the fourth aircraft that terminated lethally in Pennsylvania? It seems certain to me that this plane was shot down given the following evidence...
1/ A woman taliking to her husband on the plane via cell phone said that he told her that he and some of the other passengers were going to try and retake the airplane. He let the phone dangle with the connection unbroken... an explosion is heard and then silence.
2/ When we see the shot of the "crash" site on CNN there is nothing but a hole in the ground, a little smoke here and there and some folks wandering around in white protective suits. This is like no wreck site anyone has ever seen. No wreckage. No bodies. Not much of a hole.
3/ The police officer securing the scene says that the wreckage is spread over nine miles. When asked he suggests that "maybe the wind blew it." The trees in the background show no wind movement. Not a leaf stirs, He says that "there is no piece bigger then a cigarette package."
4/ A witness says that there was a small plane following the jetliner.
5/ Either the black box isn't recovered or its contents are being kept secret, although the boxes from the WTC survived the 600 mph crash, a 1000 degree centigrade fireball and the subsequent collapse of the buildings on them... and are still readable.
6/ Cheney announces that Bush ordered any planes remaining in the air to be shot down after the two impact the WTC. Later, after being informed of the attempt of the passengers to retake the plane, he says that they didn't have to do it... that it crashed as a result of the struggle.
7/ Rumsfeld quotes Churchill... "Truth is so precious that it must be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies."
8/ The Governor of Pennsylvania, the state where the plane terminated and a man not known for his expertise on terrorism, nor anything much else, is appointed 'terrorism czar' for the whole of the US. The Governor of Pennsylvania? Gimme a break.
9/ After initial reports from two vague witnesses... silence. We don't hear anything more of this aircraft. No more winesses are questioned and we see no more shots of the crash site.
summary
The hole in the ground could be a hole in the ground anywhere. Actually, the TV footage looks like an out take from a cheap science fiction movie shot in a landfill.
We never see any bodies.
Much larger pieces of wreckage are recovered from the WTC site, along with parts of tied up stewardesses and the black boxes.
Neither I, nor anybody I've queried, have ever seen an aircraft crash site where there was no wreckage. No seats. No luggage. No pieces of wing nor fuselage. "No piece bigger than a cigarette package." And spread over nine miles.
conclusion
It would seem that this plane was taken out by a hell of a missile. Perhaps one designed to destroy a nuclear armed bomber and cook the payload. This was the last plane to go down and was a long way from its assumed target, so the US military had plenty of time to scramble a fighter and blow it out of the sky. Initial reports put a fighter on the scene. Further... Cheney announced that the President ordered it shot down... but then the PR disaster reared its ugly head. The Passengers were trying to retake the aircraft and given a few more minutes might have succeeded. They decide to circle the wagons and lie but the Governor of Pennsylvania has either been informed or has found out on his own so they appoint him to the position of 'Terrorist Czar" and sign him to the 'Official Secrets Act." He is effectively silenced. The Administration quickly praises the brave passengers and and claims that the struggle caused the plane to crash. (And if you believe that, then I recently received an email from Nigeria soliciting my help in endeavouring to move some abandoned funds there, to my account here in Canada, that you might be interested in.)
The question that bothers me is... Why haven't the international media been all over this? I can understand the major media in the US playing dumb on orders from the US Administration (I wonder if this wasn't what Bob Woodward was alluding to when he admitted on TV to quashing a story a couple of weeks ago "for the good of the country") but why is the international media mum? It seems obvious that the US Administration has lied but nobody jumps on it. Why? There's something very wrong here.
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Date: 10-20-01 13:25
Has the international media agreed to ignore the anomalies regarding the fourth aircraft that terminated lethally in Pennsylvania? It seems certain to me that this plane was shot down given the following evidence...
1/ A woman taliking to her husband on the plane via cell phone said that he told her that he and some of the other passengers were going to try and retake the airplane. He let the phone dangle with the connection unbroken... an explosion is heard and then silence.
2/ When we see the shot of the "crash" site on CNN there is nothing but a hole in the ground, a little smoke here and there and some folks wandering around in white protective suits. This is like no wreck site anyone has ever seen. No wreckage. No bodies. Not much of a hole.
3/ The police officer securing the scene says that the wreckage is spread over nine miles. When asked he suggests that "maybe the wind blew it." The trees in the background show no wind movement. Not a leaf stirs, He says that "there is no piece bigger then a cigarette package."
4/ A witness says that there was a small plane following the jetliner.
5/ Either the black box isn't recovered or its contents are being kept secret, although the boxes from the WTC survived the 600 mph crash, a 1000 degree centigrade fireball and the subsequent collapse of the buildings on them... and are still readable.
6/ Cheney announces that Bush ordered any planes remaining in the air to be shot down after the two impact the WTC. Later, after being informed of the attempt of the passengers to retake the plane, he says that they didn't have to do it... that it crashed as a result of the struggle.
7/ Rumsfeld quotes Churchill... "Truth is so precious that it must be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies."
8/ The Governor of Pennsylvania, the state where the plane terminated and a man not known for his expertise on terrorism, nor anything much else, is appointed 'terrorism czar' for the whole of the US. The Governor of Pennsylvania? Gimme a break.
9/ After initial reports from two vague witnesses... silence. We don't hear anything more of this aircraft. No more winesses are questioned and we see no more shots of the crash site.
summary
The hole in the ground could be a hole in the ground anywhere. Actually, the TV footage looks like an out take from a cheap science fiction movie shot in a landfill.
We never see any bodies.
Much larger pieces of wreckage are recovered from the WTC site, along with parts of tied up stewardesses and the black boxes.
Neither I, nor anybody I've queried, have ever seen an aircraft crash site where there was no wreckage. No seats. No luggage. No pieces of wing nor fuselage. "No piece bigger than a cigarette package." And spread over nine miles.
conclusion
It would seem that this plane was taken out by a hell of a missile. Perhaps one designed to destroy a nuclear armed bomber and cook the payload. This was the last plane to go down and was a long way from its assumed target, so the US military had plenty of time to scramble a fighter and blow it out of the sky. Initial reports put a fighter on the scene. Further... Cheney announced that the President ordered it shot down... but then the PR disaster reared its ugly head. The Passengers were trying to retake the aircraft and given a few more minutes might have succeeded. They decide to circle the wagons and lie but the Governor of Pennsylvania has either been informed or has found out on his own so they appoint him to the position of 'Terrorist Czar" and sign him to the 'Official Secrets Act." He is effectively silenced. The Administration quickly praises the brave passengers and and claims that the struggle caused the plane to crash. (And if you believe that, then I recently received an email from Nigeria soliciting my help in endeavouring to move some abandoned funds there, to my account here in Canada, that you might be interested in.)
The question that bothers me is... Why haven't the international media been all over this? I can understand the major media in the US playing dumb on orders from the US Administration (I wonder if this wasn't what Bob Woodward was alluding to when he admitted on TV to quashing a story a couple of weeks ago "for the good of the country") but why is the international media mum? It seems obvious that the US Administration has lied but nobody jumps on it. Why? There's something very wrong here.
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As to Ridge: I read (in Counterpunch) that shortly before 9/11 Dick Cheney was planning on resigning due to health problems and Ridge was to take his place. But once 9/11 hit Cheney had to stick around and Ridge got this plush little job making the fatherland safe. He's being groomed for an executive future by the repubs.
BECAUSE IT'S STUPID, IMPOSSIBLE AND IGNORES COMMON SENSE.
You think the news organizations haven't scoured all over this story from the first minute? You think people know about this little secret of yours, but just aren't saying anything? Think again.
It is virtually impossible for 2 people, let alone 10, 20 or 30 people to keep a secret of this magnitude. It just doesn't happen. This is a good common sense lesson to apply to all conspiracy theories:
If it requires several people to "keep quiet" and not tell anyone something of enormous significance-- human nature shows us that this JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
In your theory the following people do know about this event, they just aren't saying anything to anyone:
1. The pilot who shot the plane down (and his fellow pilots, family and friends). You think he shot down the airliner, and then flew back to base and went home and told none of his fellow airmen and colleagues/friends, and then went away on holiday without telling his family??!!
2. The military ATC who directed the pilot (and their family and friends).
3. The Radio operators who were communicating and listening in to the fighter radio transmissions (and their family and friends).
4. The military chain of command that was required to debrief and manage the pilot (and their families).
5. The media, which was all over this story like a swarm of locusts-- and their family and friends.
6. The crash site inspectors who would surely have found evidence of a missile downing of the craft.
All of these people are keeping a secret? Gimmme a break.
In any case, the Manhattan project was not successfully kept a secret, as most all scientists were aware of the fission capability of U-235 and 239, and many around the world were working to create a weapon based on this technology. The specific project was kept hidden in the interest of military and technical superiority-- not to cover up some military action. Everyone knew the research would be made public-- and in fact, it was made quite public in due time.
Sort of like Star Wars-- you know we are developing laser and other ray technologies for strategic defense...you just don't know the technical details unless you're a scientist and can speculate on the nature of these new weapons, or if you read Jane's Defense weekly. Soon enough we will all learn what they are.
Bad analogy. Not to mention the reach and technical capabilities of the media these days. Via the media, I know the characteristics of Bill Clinton's penis for Christ's sake, so I don't think the air force can blow a commercial plane out of the sky over Pennsylvania and sweep it all under the rug.