Muslims detainees being tortured and killed

The violation of anyone's basic rights is something most of us, hopefully all of us can get behind and protest.
Those rights, are not to be taken for granted. Another phrase we hear but never really listen to. You are allowed to protest the capture of innocent american-muslim citizens, post it on this website here, add your own opinion, all totally unwatched by any agency.
We have a very serious problem. We have terrorist cells operating in our own country, armed with the munitions of small nations. We have government backed terrorism being enacted on innocent people here and abroad. We have a sketchy US foriegn policy hinging on oil, Israel and new colonialism. But, if you think all this was created and is fostered by the American Government, you are being very naive. There is nothing more difficult than a ruler who thinks he has God on his side. Louis XVI thought he was divinly led. As did Hitler and Pinochet. As does Al Qaeda.
To say, that if we did not back Israel, and had no troops in Saudi Arabia, this would not have happened is also very naive.
If you are not safe from attack, what good is protesting Chevron? What good is Chevron? I doubt anyone writing anything re: Sept 11 has been to ground zero. I doubt any of you were born and raised in New York, and now lost 40, maybe 50 friends.
You just snicker at the flags and the term 'ground zero'.
I had someone from the bay area point at a flag with the image of the twin towers on it, and tell me that was 'shameless' That is just insulting, out of touch and selfish. Selfish to my friend Paul, who died at Cantor, my classmate Jake who died at espeed, my friend Jim's brother.
All kids. Just trying to figure out what they should be doing. I snicker at the flags too. I am not for patriotic fashion, and silly rhetoric like 'united we stand' and 'america fights back' But, at the root of it all, those flags fly for 5,000 people who died at work. They died at work, somewhere they go so they can afford to live in the city where they were born.
This whole killing thing is highly overrated. But, taking a one way stance against appropriate retaliation is a very narrow view. It is easy to sit outside the arena and curse the sport. We can sit here and say "if only the US did this, if only the US did that." And yes, we do some fucked up shit around the world. We are not alone, obviously.
Wait until damage strikes your towns, your family, your friends. I hope it never does.

Arresting innocent people is never the goal, and the arrests are never as frequent or as bad as anyone claims. This is why national news is not delivered in 'news group' format, with anyone spilling whatever they heard onto a board for all to read as fact. This is just as unhelpful as CNN or MSNBC. Personally, if several people of Muslim descent are inconvenienced so that I can cross a bridge with relative safety, I am ok with that. It's small minded and short sided to think the war is all about stripping people of personal liberties. Do I think John Ashcroft would love to rob me of personal liberties? Sure. Do I think his right wing views embody that of the nation? No. Put aside Noam Chomsky for a minute. Walk around NYC and look at the thousands of missing persons posters. Smell burning flesh from anywhere downtown. That is what this is all about. Now who has ideas on how to prevent it from ever happening again, instead of whining about the pieces of fallout that fall on your plate of protest items.

The violation of anyone's basic rights is something most of us, hopefully all of us can get behind and protest.
Those rights, are not to be taken for granted. Another phrase we hear but never really listen to. You are allowed to protest the capture of innocent american-muslim citizens, post it on this website here, add your own opinion, all totally unwatched by any agency.
We have a very serious problem. We have terrorist cells operating in our own country, armed with the munitions of small nations. We have government backed terrorism being enacted on innocent people here and abroad. We have a sketchy US foriegn policy hinging on oil, Israel and new colonialism. But, if you think all this was created and is fostered by the American Government, you are being very naive. There is nothing more difficult than a ruler who thinks he has God on his side. Louis XVI thought he was divinly led. As did Hitler and Pinochet. As does Al Qaeda.
To say, that if we did not back Israel, and had no troops in Saudi Arabia, this would not have happened is also very naive.
If you are not safe from attack, what good is protesting Chevron? What good is Chevron? I doubt anyone writing anything re: Sept 11 has been to ground zero. I doubt any of you were born and raised in New York, and now lost 40, maybe 50 friends.
You just snicker at the flags and the term 'ground zero'.
I had someone from the bay area point at a flag with the image of the twin towers on it, and tell me that was 'shameless' That is just insulting, out of touch and selfish. Selfish to my friend Paul, who died at Cantor, my classmate Jake who died at espeed, my friend Jim's brother.
All kids. Just trying to figure out what they should be doing. I snicker at the flags too. I am not for patriotic fashion, and silly rhetoric like 'united we stand' and 'america fights back' But, at the root of it all, those flags fly for 5,000 people who died at work. They died at work, somewhere they go so they can afford to live in the city where they were born.
This whole killing thing is highly overrated. But, taking a one way stance against appropriate retaliation is a very narrow view. It is easy to sit outside the arena and curse the sport. We can sit here and say "if only the US did this, if only the US did that." And yes, we do some fucked up shit around the world. We are not alone, obviously.
Wait until damage strikes your towns, your family, your friends. I hope it never does.

Arresting innocent people is never the goal, and the arrests are never as frequent or as bad as anyone claims. This is why national news is not delivered in 'news group' format, with anyone spilling whatever they heard onto a board for all to read as fact. This is just as unhelpful as CNN or MSNBC. Personally, if several people of Muslim descent are inconvenienced so that I can cross a bridge with relative safety, I am ok with that. It's small minded and short sided to think the war is all about stripping people of personal liberties. Do I think John Ashcroft would love to rob me of personal liberties? Sure. Do I think his right wing views embody that of the nation? No. Put aside Noam Chomsky for a minute. Walk around NYC and look at the thousands of missing persons posters. Smell burning flesh from anywhere downtown. That is what this is all about. Now who has ideas on how to prevent it from ever happening again, instead of whining about the pieces of fallout that fall on your plate of protest items.

Sal, your analysis lacks any kind of historical context. The average German in 1938 would say the same thing about their government. Nevermind the widespread starvation and death intentionally caused by U.S. foreign policy to date. Anyone can see that what is happening with law enforcement in this country is opportunistic and unnecessarily broad.

Right now, you are okay with Arab-Americans being tortured and detained by our government. But what happens when it is you or someone you love? Maybe then you will wake the fuck up.

Bravo for this post Sal.
What do you propose?
by Sal November 12 2001, Mon, 1:38am

People. The brothers and sisters who make up the forces of the US military are INDIVIDUALS. Every member of every branch I have ever met or known are fine people.
If hallucinations of some materialized and a police state government of violence and wicked oppression is waiting in the wings to take cointrol of the US. It couldnt happen. The soldiers would not have it. The sergeants, the commanders. No way. Its funny some see these soldiers as robots. In my experience they are all but robotic. They may have skills they can execute with amazing robotic precision. Yet they are not brain washed and robotic in their thinking. Ive never met a military brother or sister who cared more about the military than about family and friends. They love freedom and liberty enough to dedicate theirselfs to potentially defending it.
But you laugh, I know. I'm brainwashed. I know. I'm a part of the blah blah blah blah blah you talk about all the time.
The blah blah blah which by the way has never stopped me from doing one thing I want to do. Except those blah blah blah blah blahs who wont let me drive 90 in a 55.
Peace all.

Bravo for this post Sal.
What do you propose?
by Sal November 12 2001, Mon, 1:38am

People. The brothers and sisters who make up the forces of the US military are INDIVIDUALS. Every member of every branch I have ever met or known are fine people.
If hallucinations of some materialized and a police state government of violence and wicked oppression is waiting in the wings to take cointrol of the US. It couldnt happen. The soldiers would not have it. The sergeants, the commanders. No way. Its funny some see these soldiers as robots. In my experience they are all but robotic. They may have skills they can execute with amazing robotic precision. Yet they are not brain washed and robotic in their thinking. Ive never met a military brother or sister who cared more about the military than about family and friends. They love freedom and liberty enough to dedicate theirselfs to potentially defending it.
But you laugh, I know. I'm brainwashed. I know. I'm a part of the blah blah blah blah blah you talk about all the time.
The blah blah blah which by the way has never stopped me from doing one thing I want to do. Except those blah blah blah blah blahs who wont let me drive 90 in a 55.
Peace all.

Your response makes no sense at all. First of all, local Germans were scared into favoring their government's radical actions, and most educated German's did not support the government.

Two, you did not address anything I said. You spilled more pop punk politic rhetoric. I doubt you read the full post, it was long.

You have nothing. No proof, no examples. You just keep saying cops suck cops suck cops suck cops suck. Start being helpful. Grow up.

Don't act like it was some important doctrine. It was basically expressing a racist belief born out of fear which tens of millions of other Americans have right now: I don't mind if Arab-Americans have their rights trampled because I want the old consumer security I'm used to. That's it. Nothing special. That's what we're fighting against on this site, if you hadn't noticed. Go join the Taliban where that kind of state ass-kissing is accepted, and get out of my free country.

Hello ... It is obvious from Sal's post that the quality of our education has gone way down in this country. Oh well, no critical thinking ability ... no memory ... I guess that leaves us ripe for state violence and state repression. Maybe Sal is free to do whatever he thinks he wants to do - except challenge anything the corporate state wants to do or know anything about what his country is doing. I still don't understand how you can exercise democracy and not know anything about any decision that is being made. Maybe Sal likes living with this contradiction. He feels so free and blessed to live in a country that interns people, conducts red scares and promotes paramilitary torture all over the world. Maybe Sal is not aware of the CIA, or who started it, or what it has been up to for 50 years now. It's great to feel free, even though Sal has never put his freedom to use, he seems ready to spout empty diatribes about it. This is just like all my armchair liberal friends who want so badly to be right as they tell me that everything is OK and we should all just recycle and vote and everything will be fine. Well, it is not freekin fine. Some oil-industry, ex-cia, military goons have thrown a freekin coup. Wake up people. Where are the Constitution Defenders now? Can we only whine about the 2cnd ammendment and focus our anger on abortion clinics. I'm waiting for all the buba's who always said they would defend our country to get off their buts, impeach the Constitution destroyers help our good citizens to re-instate the Constitution. Is that too much to ask? Where is the spirit of the Boston Tea Party? Where are the thinkers and questioning people of our times? If you don't do something soon, you will wind up in a police state and if you can't see it happening - you are not looking hard enough.

- Homeland Security with Tom Ridge? (GW of Texas led the nation in using the death penalty ... guess who was number two? ... that's right good ol' boy Tom Ridge.)

- The Patriot Law? Has anyone bothered to read what this law provides for? / It really is the end of the Constitution and military leaders have already been quoted as saying, "Terror has no sunset."

- 1,100 people detained and our government won't even tell us who they are ... despite many Freedom of Information Act requests to do so ...

- Bush just decided to not release the Presidential papers ... just in time to protect his dad and good ol' Reagan ... hmm, anybody remember Iran/Contragate .. Oliver North, Richard Helms, Casper Weinburger ... any of these names ring a bell? Probably not ... oh well ...

So, anyone right, left or center who is not speaking out in opposition to this unprecedented rollback of our liberties is an idiot, a rich person or is totally lacking courage. Oh well ... I don't know what happened to the American experiement ... I guess it is over. too bad.

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Typical leftist propaganda! You are full of shit! Nothing on this site is even worth reading! What a fucking joke!

anyone who attacks our muslim sisters and brothers in speech or action should be dealt with accordingly. keep posting anonymously, ya piece of shit

They have no rights. Wipe em out.

Muslim detainees should be tortured.

Great! Kill-em all!

that is really sick ...if americans are really like your posts claim to be id rather die than be american...have u no decency or humanity god u people make me wanta vomit. i get the feeling there will be a civil war soon and the streets will run with blood all because people like are u are too stupid to understand how to treat your neighbor. and sadly enough this may be the only way to stop your insanity.

I hear that Muslims are being mistreated.

GOOD!

FACT: Israeli military reaction has been one of incomparable restraint. After the brutal lynching of two Israelis in Ramallah, Israel limited its response to bombing one floor of the headquarters of the negligent Ramallah police, the radio station that had been broadcasting incitement to violence, and two targets in Gaza. Israelis gave a 3-hour warning, to allow Palestinians to evacuate; indeed, no one was killed. Similarly, following the recent torching of an ancient synagogue in Jericho, Israel's only response was to bomb a military training school.

On the front lines of this "intifada," Israeli soldiers have orders not to shoot unless they are in direct danger. Israeli soldiers are told never shoot at an ambulance or at women. Unless the Palestinians begin shooting first with live bullets, Israeli soldiers are instructed never to shoot to kill, and then, to aim only at the source of the shooting, never randomly. No other army has such restrained orders.

As the world decries the 100 Palestinian deaths, no one stops to ask how many would be dead if Israeli forces were actually doing what they are accused of -- shooting indiscriminately into crowds with automatic weapons. If that were the case, many thousands of Palestinians would be dead.

But what about Palestinians youth who have been tragically killed in the fighting?

What kind of parent encourages children to go to the front lines to throw stones and firebombs at armed troops?! Palestinians know that Israelis are reluctant to shoot at children; and if a child does wind up getting killed, it makes for excellent anti-Israel propaganda.

Children are taught in school the heroics of dying as a martyr for the Palestinian cause. The Jerusalem Post reported that the Palestinian Authority is encouraging children to participate in clashes by offering their families $300 per injury and $2,000 for anyone killed. How tragic that Palestinians send their children at risk of death and then cynically use this against Israel in the court of world opinion.

But perhaps Israel should not be using force at all to stop the violence?

The BBC recently asked a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council if Arafat truly had the power to stop the mob violence. He replied that it probably could not be done without exerting fatal force on the rioters. Given that reality, how can the world possibly expect Israel to stop the violence without such force?

It is the duty of any government to protect its citizens from violence. Imagine what the response would be if this violence was occurring to any other country. When the British tried to control the last Palestinian intifada, the Arab revolt of 1936-1939, entire villages were burned and more than 3,000 Palestinians were killed.

During "Black September" when Palestinians rioted in Jordan in the 1970s, King Hussein massacred 2,500 Palestinians in 10 days. Likewise, Syrian President Assad slaughtered 20,000 of his own people during civil unrest in Hama, then paved over the dead -- a toll that the Israel intifada would need 100 years to match.

Spam alienates people. It makes you, and your cause, look bad.

Not that it takes all that much to make you and your cause look bad, but still . . .

Mark Seager, 29, a British photographer, was working on a pictorial study of Palestinian refugees when he found himself caught up in the horrific lynching of two Israeli army reservists in Ramallah. The only journalist to witness the beating, as he tried to take the photograph that would have made his fortune, the crowd turned on him with such hatred, destroying his camera, that he feared for his own life.

This is his eyewitness account:

I had arrived in Ramallah at about 10:30 in the morning and was getting into a taxi on the main road to go to Nablus, where there was to be a funeral that I wanted to film, when all of a sudden there came a big crowd of Palestinians shouting and running down the hill from the police station.

I got out of the car to see what was happening and saw that they were dragging something behind them. Within moments they were in front of me and, to my horror, I saw that it was a body, a man they were dragging by the feet. The lower part of his body was on fire and the upper part had been shot at, and the head beaten so badly that it was a pulp, like red jelly.

I thought he was a soldier because I could see the remains of khaki trousers and boots. My God, I thought, they've killed this guy. He was dead, he must have been dead, but they were still beating him, madly, kicking his head. They were like animals.


They were just a few feet in front of me and I could see everything. Instinctively, I reached for my camera. I was composing the picture when I was punched in the face by a Palestinian. Another Palestinian pointed right at me shouting "no picture, no picture!" while another guy hit me in the face and said "give me your film!"

I tried to get the film out but they were all grabbing me and one guy just pulled the camera off me and smashed it to the floor. I knew I had lost the chance to take the photograph that would have made me famous and I had lost my favorite lens that I'd used all over the world, but I didn't care. I was scared for my life.

At the same time, the guy that looked like a soldier was being beaten and the crowd was getting angrier and angrier, shouting "Allah akbar" -- God is great. They were dragging the dead man around the street like a cat toying with a mouse. It was the most horrible thing that I have ever seen and I have reported from Congo, Kosovo, many bad places. In Kosovo, I saw Serbs beating an Albanian but it wasn't like this. There was such hatred, such unbelievable hatred and anger distorting their faces.

The worst thing was that I realised the anger that they were directing at me was the same as that which they'd had toward the soldier before dragging him from the police station and killing him. Somehow I escaped and ran and ran not knowing where I was going. I never saw the other guy they killed, the one they threw out of the window.

I thought that I'd got to know the Palestinians well. I've made six trips this year and had been going to Ramallah every day for the past 16 days. I thought they were kind, hospitable people. I know they are not all like this and I'm a very forgiving person but I'll never forget this. It was murder of the most barbaric kind. When I think about it, I see that man's head, all smashed. I know that I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life.

I hear that Muslem detanies are being tortured and killed.

GOOD!

I am sorry, but most of you have never experienced war, never seen a friend tortured until his screams subsided.... Sun Tsu teaches us to "know thy enemy, know thy self." You need to ask yourself what you are willing to do for freedom, who you are willing to give it too, and how much of your freedom you are willing to give up in pursuit of others freedom. These are personal questions. Ones I have defended.
But. Please understand. Human rights takes on a different meaning when you see someone jump from a tower or scream in agony while their flesh burns from jet fuel on their torsos. Understand the difference between civil rights and human rights and when they apply. Just ask yourself.

Unfortunately Muslim detainees are not being "tortured and killed"-BUT THEY DAMN WELL SHOULD BE!! Reading all of the crackheaded Leftists on this site makes me regret that they themselves were not in the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11 when their beloved "comrades" inciniterated thousands of more genuine and deserving citizens. The only approach to the subhuman vermin who did this and/or are their sympathizers and followers is complete and utter extermination: Bash their heads in! Gouge their eyes out! Rape and Disembowel them! Hang them on trees and set them aflame! That is the kindest treatment these savages deserve!

The muslems should rot in jail

"Muslims detainees being tortured and killed"

And your point is... what??

>I equated the persecution of Muslims who are innocent until proven guilty but are being held without charges by regimes that are fascist in all but name, with the persecution of Communists, Unionists, Catholics, Jews, etc. by the Nazis.

First of all, these people are being held because they either are terrorists or have terrorist ties. That they are Muslim is incendential.

Perhaps if the enemies of Nazism had taken the measures necessary to squash the movement before they allowed it to assume power.......... But alas, they didn't. In that regard, the USA is doing to the terrorists what the Communists, Unionists, Catholics, Jews, etc. should have done to the Nazis.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a domestic US law, not international, and certainly not for those who would take up arms against the USA. They don't fall under the rules of the Geneva Convention because they don't fight by the rules of the Geneva Convention.

Citing history as precedent for saying "that’s the direction we’re headed" is a comment that holds nothing of substance. The USA is not fascist despite the claims of some here on this site. Our "three branches of government" system is eons apart from the dictatorship of Nazi Germany.

>Corporations run this country.

Bull plop. You have to be a complete idiot to believe that. If you're not an idiot, an anarchist will do.

>Keyword: alleged

Fine: alleged. "Due process" is a domestic US law, not international, and certainly not for those who would take up arms against the USA.

>My point exactly. If the American enemies of fascism learned nothing from the Reichstag Fire, or worse, if we know but are two cowardly to act in our own defense, then we deserve what’s coming.

Good. Now turn that toward the real enemy: Militant Islam.

Anything short of recognizing the real enemy as Militant Islam, and you will wonder aimlessly through the sea of smoke.

>An ad hominem is not a rebuttal.

I wasn't meant as a rebuttal. It was in responce to a lie.

>Corporations control most of the land, most of the food supply, much of the water supply, all of the fuel supply, most of the media, medical care and the government.

I disagree. And, ownership doesn't always mean control. So let it be written. So let it be done.

>They were seized on US territory and not under arms. According to the Constitution, they deserve due process.

This law applies only to citizens, which they were not. Non-citizens can be convicted under our law for breaking our law, but they are not deserving of due process as a citizen would be.

>The real enemy is oppression.

The real enemy is Militant Islam.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

>This law applies only to citizens, which they were not. Non-citizens can be convicted under our law for breaking our law, but they are not deserving of due process as a citizen would be.

Cite the statute.

>They (non-citizens) were seized on US territory and not under arms. According to the Constitution, they deserve due process.

After you.

is for citizens, not non-citizens.

is for citizens, not non-citizens.

End of story.

>No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

In the case of the "alleged" terrorists, I'll take "Public Danger".

Due process? A trial in 5 to 10 years is fast enough,... maybe. And a military trail at that.

Case Closed.

You have yet to convince me that the Constitutuion is not addressing citizens.

Back to the issue.

>They were seized on US territory and not under arms. According to the Constitution, they deserve due process.

The USA PATRIOT Law was passed by Congress and signed by the President. That's why it's now a LAW. It gives the President the right to detain suspected terrorists for an indefinate period of time.

Now, if you don't like the law, you can petition the courts to have it declared unconstitutional. But only if the Supreme Court stikes it down does it cease being the law. Because you call it unconstitutional doesn't make it so. Currently, it's the law. Likelyhood it will stay that way.

You can bitch and moan and complain all you want. I don't care. According to the law, they can be held.

>I do know that you have failed to rebut what I said.

When I see I have reached an empasse with someone on a particular subject, I drop it. Do you have that ability, or do you believe (as childhood behavior would dictate) that the last one to post wins?

You said:
>They were seized on US territory and not under arms. According to the Constitution, they deserve due process.

I showed you the law that permits them to be held. I told you how to have the law struck down.

The burden is on you to show that the law is unconstitutional and to prove it in court.

>I have no say. Neither do you.

I have say so. I'm glad to hear you don't.

>So what’s your point, that we should never break the law?

I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken. If you believe these people are being held against their rights stongly enough, plan and carry-out a jailbreak. What's stopping you?

>I have to agree (that we should never break the law) in order to avoid prosecution.

I don't agree that the law should never be broken. I'm not afraid of prosecution. What are you afraid of?

The more important statement was

>I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken.

Couldn't you?

>I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken.

Let's say a law was passed that said that no one could possess a Bible. I would have to break that law.

>I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken.

>I don't agree that the law should never be broken.

I don't see the word "current" in there.

Does anyone else see the word "current" in there, as in "I don't agree that the "current" law should never be broken"?

(Waiting)

No. Didn't think so.

Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

Let's back up.

You said:
>So what’s your point, that we should never break the law?

For what reason would your question have lead me to believe you were only refering to "current" law or, as you put it, "laws which have already been passed"? You certainly never indicated in your statement that you only meant "laws which have already been passed". I can only take that to mean you were taking about "laws" in general.

I responded:

>I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken.
>I don't agree that the law should never be broken.

And then I specifically noted the more important statement, that being "envision(ing) circustances".

So, you're asking me to respond in a manner that does not reflect the meaning of my statement.

If you wish to know whether or not I believe there are any current laws of the US that I believe should be broken, that is an entirely seperate issue than anything I have addressed in any of my former statements.

But, for the sake of ending this conversation, I will answer the question.

I am not aware of any US laws currently that demand I disobey them. I stand by my statements: I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken. I don't agree that the law should never be broken.

You were asking me a question that had nothing to do with any of my former statements. I wanted to make sure you understood that and at the same time answer your question. I though I had. Then I discoved it needed to be broken down to a format that was more simple to understand.

When I wrote
>I could envision circustances where the law would need to be broken. Couldn't you?

that should have immediately informed you my former statements regarding the need to break the law was based upon "circumstances" that required such. Since I had never stated any current laws I believe should be broken, you should have concluded by my silence on the matter that I was not aware of any.

Don't blame me because you couldn't read between the lines.

what is the point of this? I was having a bad day and decided to look for pictures of sand monkeys being tortured and stumbled upon this seemingly wortlhless and what seems to be an on line argument. However, while here I woud like to add that I am all for detaining and torturing anybody tied to the september 11 attacks as well as any other terrorist activity. In fact, I think its time for some big changes, Like perhaps, a sign on the statue of liberty that says, "sorry, were closed" every time I see a dark skinned man wearing a towel on his head I stop to ponder what kind of evil is this man planning. Is he going to ram his car into a school bus? Ijn shirt, I don't like these people and would like to send them all home

the above is black propaganda posted by leftists to make conservatives appear to be racist and stupid.

When I or Rene or Nessie start talking about black propganda being posted, it is usually because someone used our name and put something on the news wire, generally about "killing the Jews." As far as I know, I do not know "bob," in that I have not argued the Palesinian Israeli conflict with him to have someone use his name and post racist crap with it.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/08/140264_comment.php#140456

I really hope so

Why do you hope it's true, pray tell us? Because Muslims are inherently evil? Pure racist mythology. I bet you do hope that. I bet you hope to build concentration camps too. Your intellectual predecessors - the Nazis - would have been quite proud of you.

Throughout the SE US at least 33% of black men can't vote, and an equal number of whites are effected. In addition, the police violate laws, e.g. Sunshine Law, a felony, with impunity and the fed lets them do it.

Read about the horrors in Alabama. Also, get free music and art throughout site.

So.....whats wrong with this.

I hope they all DIE!!!!!!!!!! Arabs as stupid. Killing themselfs thinking there going to see ol' mighty Ala. If they got a problem with the us. Fight the military. Or are they to chicken !@#$

Muslim prisnors are being tortured and killed by other muslims in muslim countries.

Pooper's name is written all that picture. hehehe

heh. that's right hooper. I know you are but what am I?

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war geek.

First off- I'd like to state that I was born and raised in the us of a , with no muslim background.
second off- the comments by so-called americans that i have read on this site disgust me.
it is absolutely sick and narrow minded to think that these innocent muslims are being held for such unethical reasons.
but it is sicker that this is being supported.
anyone who supports such is not educated or just plain ignorant-
or perhaps mentally ill.

Yup, it's time to sew yellow crescent moons on Muslims' clothing and tattoo identity numbers on their arms.

Oh yeah, I feel reeeal sorry for the poor fucking Muslim detainees. Most people know that so called Muslim immigrants are nothing but the advance guard for what Muslims usually do, invade and slaughter. They come into countries slowly and quietly, taking advantage of good natured openness to other religions, and then when there are enough of them they follow their Koran and begin murdering. Because after all, the piece of shit Koran says all non-muslims are nothing but lowly infidels who must be converted or slaughtered. These savages don't belong in the 21st century, they are nothing but an ugly throwback to more primitive times. They are racist cowards and baby killers. Muslims suck, and Arabs suck harder. If they dopey God "Allah" is so powerful, then whey did he allow other religions? hmmm?

Oh yeah, I feel reeeal sorry for the poor fucking Muslim detainees. Most people know that so called Muslim immigrants are nothing but the advance guard for what Muslims usually do, invade and slaughter. They come into countries slowly and quietly, taking advantage of good natured openness to other religions, and then when there are enough of them they follow their Koran and begin murdering. Because after all, the piece of shit Koran says all non-muslims are nothing but lowly infidels who must be converted or slaughtered. These savages don't belong in the 21st century, they are nothing but an ugly throwback to more primitive times. They are racist cowards and baby killers. Muslims suck, and Arabs suck harder. If they dopey God "Allah" is so powerful, then whey did he allow other religions? hmmm?

Oh yeah, I feel reeeal sorry for the poor fucking Muslim detainees. Most people know that so called Muslim immigrants are nothing but the advance guard for what Muslims usually do, invade and slaughter. They come into countries slowly and quietly, taking advantage of good natured openness to other religions, and then when there are enough of them they follow their Koran and begin murdering. Because after all, the piece of shit Koran says all non-muslims are nothing but lowly infidels who must be converted or slaughtered. These savages don't belong in the 21st century, they are nothing but an ugly throwback to more primitive times. They are racist cowards and baby killers. Muslims suck, and Arabs suck harder. If they dopey God "Allah" is so powerful, then whey did he allow other religions? hmmm?

Muslims suck, and Arabs suck harder.

hey righties ... quit whining, put your tinfoil hats back on, and march back to your little dingy white supremacist hall where you can all circle jerk
Go whine and cringe somewhere else

I think they should all be sent back they are the most racist people i have ever seen in my life they get along with 1 thing and that is money there greedy and for a religion they made it up they use to worship idols they have no clue on what is real.

I don't HAVE any Muslim brothers or sisters, because MY relatives don't behave like fucking animals like muslims do; killing in the name of a scum god like allah, who tells his shit followers to kill others in his name! What kind of asshole defends morons like this??? My God is a God of Peace and Frogiveness, not Murder, killing and vengence like that dickhead allah. allah can kiss my infidellic Christian ass and so can his heathen murdering followers and may they all burn in Hell for a thousand eternities!!!

To: the person who posted "americans are ignorant"

Why is it, while muslims kill rape, murder, in places like bangledesh, nigeria, sudan, you say nothing, but when the "poor peacefull muslims" recieve a backlash from the horror they have caused, you squalk like a chichen about to go to the slaughter house?
It is amasing how muslims deny their true agenda, kill all the kafirs, intall islam everywhere, even america. Guess what, India has had enough of muslim agression, these "poor muslims" are only getting back what they have done in the past, boo hoo, cry me a river, when muslims nailed the trade centre, they danced in hte streets all over the world, now india is fighting back, and allthough it isn't on the same grand scale of what muslims are doing around the world, I'm doing the irish jig! way to go india, it's time to fight terrorism with terrorism.

Yesterday while kneeling for mid-day prayer I broke wind rather violently. This was very embarrassing as i had consumed two chicken burritos for lunch. I turned to beg forgiveness to the brothers behind me but most were rolling on the floor gasping for air. Later the Iman grabbed me by my shirt collar and yelled,"By Mohammad, your explosion has peeled the paint from the walls and blown some windows from my mosque.''Oh well,I guess i will become a Jew.

Kareem O' Wheat, I thank you for the future warning about what goes on during morning prayers. You were very lucky that just the paint peeled off the walls, as for when I have knelt it is like a silent killer that chokes the life out of you. I have witnessed this in my own Masque.