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The Arabs I Know

by Frank Fugate
There is a great deal of propaganda against Arabs in the western media.
http://www.counterpunch.org/fugate0810.html

Wake up America!...Special interest
groups, news media, and money hungry
politicians are duping you into profiling all
Arabs as bad Arabs.. Often, the news media tell
us the polls show Americans support Israelis
over Palestinians. Based on what? How many of
these poll participants have seen an Arab,
talked to an Arab, or worked with an Arab? Very
few I would venture. On what then do they
base their opinion? They are largely influenced
by the biased news media, which gives no
quarter in making sure we see all Arabs as bad
Arabs. Are there bad Arabs? Of course there
are. Are there bad Americans? We have plenty
of them. Where are all the bad Israelis? There
must be some. Why don't we hear more about
them?

I lived in the Middle East for over 33 years. I
have seen Arabs, I have talked with Arabs, I
have worked with Arabs and I have lived with
Arabs. Over this span of 33 years I had an
opportunity to meet and interact with Arabs
from all walks of life - Kings, Ministers, Emirs,
College Professors and Businessmen - and I
worked with Arab employees from Laborer to
President. I believe this qualifies me to speak
about Arabs.

Arabs have many of the same desires and
expectations as we Americans. They love their
families, they love their country, they love their
land, they want to better themselves, they
want to live in peace, and they worship the
same God as Christians and Jews. They are the
most hospitable people I have ever known. The
Arabs I know do not judge people by their race,
religion, or nationality - but by their character.
They are some of the best people observers I
have ever encountered and I have traveled the
globe. They will judge you in their hearts, but
are reluctant to criticize you face-to- face or
publicly. Arabs greet you with Salaam Alaikum
(peace upon you) - and your response should
be, Wa-alaikum Is-salaam (and upon you
peace). To Arabs, peace is not rhetoric; it is a
way of life.

I went to the Middle East in 1954 to work as a
young Engineer - eager and adventurous. I
spent my first month in Sidon, Lebanon at a
training center. Where I learned some
conversational Arabic language and was
introduced to Arab culture. On weekends and in
the evenings I would travel all over Lebanon by
motorbike and even to Syria. I had nothing but
good experiences. I would stop at a village to
have refreshments and on many occasions I
was invited to homes by Arabs to meet their
families, view their olive groves, and have
refreshments. It was a wonderful experience.

I then traveled to my ultimate destination -
Saudi Arabia. I continued my interest in the
Arab world by visiting villages in Arabia. Arabs
would invite me to their village and their homes
for a meal and/or coffee. They shared their food
with me. I sat in their majlis (living room) along
the wall on cushions and drank coffee with
sometime as many as 20-25 people present.
The host would move about the room with a
large Arab coffee pot and a stack of petite cups,
serving his guest hot coffee flavored with
cardamom seeds, until we all had drank our
customary three cups. Then he would start his
rounds again serving hot tea. The conversation
was a good chance to practice my Arabic. They
would laugh understandingly when I
mispronounced a word. If we had been invited
for a meal, we would retire to another room to
sit around a huge brass tray heaped with Arab
rice around a steaming spit-roasted lamb. The
delicious rice was flavored with nuts, raisins,
and spices. There would also be spit-roasted
chicken. On some weekends I would visit as
many as ten homes in one day to share their
food, coffee, or tea. I had to turn down
invitations because there were so many. I
would no more than step into the street when I
would be taken by the hand and told, "you must
come to my house for gahwa (coffee)." The
congeniality was sincere and hospitality was
never lacking.

I was there during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
The air was full of tension because the US was
supporting Israel. One of my Arab friends
wanted me to send my family to his village to
stay with his family for safety. Of course I
wouldn't let them go, because I did not want to
put his family in harms way. As a result, he
brought with him another Arab friend to stay
with my family for our protection. I had a hard
time convincing them it wasn't necessary.

Another Arab friend called me on the phone
during the 1967 Arab- Israeli war and said he
had heard they were evacuating Americans and
wanted to know if I were leaving. I told him I
was not going, but was considering sending my
wife and three-year old daughter. He said,
"Why? You have many friends here." I replied,
"It's not my friends I am worried about." We
laughed about that for years afterwards. He
would ask me if I was now worried about my
friends.

When one of my Arab friends went to America
for a medical problem, he brought me a huge
amount of cash and asked that I look after his
family while he was gone. His oldest son would
come every week and I was to give him a
specified amount for expenses. My boss heard
about this and advised me not to do it, because
something could happen to my friend and his
family could cause me problems. Obviously my
boss did not understand the bond of friendship
that existed. There was no way I would violate
that friendship. For over a year, I looked after
his family until my friend returned to Saudi
Arabia.

Returning to Saudi Arabia after a vacation, my
wife and I inadvertently left one of our many
suitcases on the sidewalk, outside the airport,
when we were loading them into the car. After
the weekend, we asked a company driver to see
if by some chance it had been turned in to
lost-and- found. The driver returned with the
bag. Airport security told the driver it sat on the
sidewalk for two days. When no one picked it
up a policeman finally brought it to lost-
and-found. Try leaving your bag on the platform
in the New York subway for two days.

The Bedouin hailing down your vehicle as it
neared his tent - insisting you stop and have
coffee with him, traveling all over Saudi Arabia
without fear of carjacking, camping deep in the
desert with Bedouin strangers stopping to visit,
stuck in the sand and have every passerby
stopping to help, and leaving your doors
unlocked (something you don't do in America)
--- on and on --- these are the Arabs all
Americans should know.

I leave you with these few examples of the
many, many good Arabs I know.

Frank Fugate is a former senior vice-president
of the Saudi Aramco Oil Company.

http://www.counterpunch.org/fugate0810.html
by realist
Of course not all Arabs are bad people. But do I need to be told that by an ex-Aramco exec? Give me a break. The only reason you had Arab "friends" was because of the money that came from oil extraction. You could have been in Indonesia, Nigeria, Kuwait, anywhere with oil and be treated well. Shit, I bet you were treated like royalty.

Fuck's like you are the reason Saudi Arabia is run by a nepotistic bunch of thugs.
by X
Saudi Arabia is actually run by the Saud family of thugs due to support from the CIA. It was in American interest to install this friendly dictatorship against the will of the Shiite majority. Obviously, you know nothing about geopolitics. The Saudis have been fighting for democracy for decades now and America actively prevents it in support of the so-called 'legitimate' rulers of Saudi Arabia. Boy, if only Washington could see his nation defending kings against democratic revolutionaries. I think he would shit himself.
by ShishKabab
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Did you meet these Arabs?
by realist
A lesson in geopolitics for X

You wrote, "Saudi Arabia is actually run by the Saud family of thugs due to support from the CIA. "

Exactly. And the CIA/US government provides support to these regimes for ECONOMIC reasons. In this case oil. The CIA does not operate in its own interest. Rather, it operates in the interest of US corporations and business interests. This is the history of the CIA in Chile, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

That is why, in the final analysis, people like Frank are responsible. They represent BIG OIL.
by Michael Collins
Answer: They make a longer lasting object lesson if you knee cap them instead.
by X
Well, nothing I said contradicts what you said about CIA support for the Sauds. I didn't say why they supported the Sauds. I merely said they actively prevented democracy their in defense of US interests. And I totally agree: it is people like Frank who are responsible, big oil interests. But just because the CIA commits these anti-democratic actions in someone else's name doesnt change the fact. Arabs are not only occupied in Palestine; they are occupied in almost all the Middle East by various oppressive regimes.
by Very Concerned
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by X2
the people in your photograph are not just Arabs. They are Hamas members. You are trying to equate this picture with all Arabs. Pure racism. You are racist. If you were not, your picture would be titled, "do you know these friendly Hamas members?" but it is not. Everyone can see your racist lie now.
by ShishKabab
Man, you are pathetic X2.
When 90% of Palestinians support Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it is not a generalization and it is not racist to conclude that Palestinians in general support terror and murdering of civilians. When most Arabs support the destruction of Israel and cheer Bin-Laden it is not recist to assume that most Arabs support terror.
by X2
Sorry but people are born Palestinian .. it is not a political movement. A Palestinian does not choose to be a Palestinian any more than he can renounce being one. It isn't a matter of choice or belief. This is exactly the kind of thing the Nazis did to the Jews. When you say someone believes such and such just because they are Palestinian you are guilty of racial stereotyping. Your 90% figure .. pulled out of a hat ... is complete bullshit. Take your racist crap and fuck off. Indymedia should be censoring your hate filled invective.
by ShishKabab
"A Palestinian does not choose to be a Palestinian any more than he can renounce being one"

Wrong... Yasser Arafat was not born Palestinian, he was born in Egypt. He DECIDED to be a Palestinian, so did many other "Palestinians".
by X2
So what are you saying then? Anyone who moves to Palestine will automatically become a terrorist? Or just people who are racially Arabic? Same difference, it is still a racist pile of shit. Why can't you see you are espousing racism when you say people of some ethnicity are prone to some behaviour?
by ShishKabab
If you support terrorist acts - you are a terrorist supporter, not a terrorist. No matter what your race is. If you perform acts of terror - you are a terrorist.
by X2
Squirm away all you want "Shishkebab". You're fucking sussed now though. You didn't say "do you know these friendly terrorists" now did you? You said "do you know these friendly ARABS" making your racism perfectly clear. Squirm away, "Shishkebab"
by ....
.....a little bloodhound looking for evidence of anti-arab/muslim statements in order to yell RRRRRRRAAAAAAACCCCCCCIIIIIMMMMMM!!!!!

boring
by X2
anti-arab anti-muslim statements are racist. Period.
by me
"anti-arab anti-muslim statements are racist. Period."

...so are anti-Jewish anti-Israeli statements.
§?
by Mr T
i can never understand what this 'me' person is talking about. Palestinian settlements in Israel? Where are they?
by X2
Please elaborate on how an anti-Israeli statement is racist. The last I heard Israel was a government not a race.
by ShishKabab
;-) Let me guess X2, you flunked logic 101.
I did say "do you know these friendly ARABS", since they are obviously Arabs (or is that a racist statement?), I didn't say all Arabs are like that, I just mentioned that these are "friendly" looking Arabs.
I'm sure you know a lot about racism than me anyhow.
by X2
oh, so I'm a Nazi for protesting racism. Yeah those damn multicultural Nazis, always wanting everyone to get along.

Second, you may squirm if you wish, but it's fairly obvious that you meant to imply that all Arabs are terrorists.
by ShishKabab
You are not fighting racism X2, be honest, you're here to flame anyone with pro-Israeli opinions. If you would, you'd ask yourselves why aren't there any Jews in positions of power in Arab countries, why Christians being enslaved by Muslims in Sudan and why the world is quiet when Israeli children are murdered.
by X2
I'm not here to flame the pro-Israelis. I'm here to expose the people who want to stop a multicultural society in the Holy Land. Get it through your head. You guys are the flamers, you've called me every name in the book because you don't have a morally defensible position.

The world is hardly silent when Jewish children are murdered. Don't you watch the news? Every day there are headlines about the atrocities committed against Jews. Just go to CNN, ABC, whatever, any place and you will see it. You must be blind. Or you just enjoy making false statements.

In this thread I have criticized Arab governments. In many other threads I have done so. But I will not limit my criticism to them. I will not become your mouthpiece and I will not bow before your perverted attacks and insane twists of logic. You do not speak for all Jewish people. Why don't you listen to your conscience and join with the Jewish people speaking out against those who would force them into death and destruction to advance their twisted political agenda? Certainly your tactics on this board show you to be an intelligent person, even if you use the gift in a devious way for bad purposes. You can help to make a Holy Land of peace and dignity. Don't abandon this for an Israel made in the American image, of Pepsi and M-16's. Surely there is more to Eretz Yisroel than that. The Zionists have gotten into bed with a nation that is USING them and doesn't care. America never gave a shit about Jews - they watched the entire spectacle of Nazism from far away, turning away refugees to face the camps, only joining in at the last moment and only because they were attacked. Beware of who you have gotten into bed with because if you think America has changed you are dead wrong.

I am calling on you now to have faith and hope that there can be peace.
by ShishKabab
Israel is living in the real world, you are living in lala land. It's easy to condemn a nation for trying to stay alive. In a perfect world, everyone would be welcome everywhere. In the real world - Jews have to learn from history. So take your lovely ideas about liberalism and multiculturalism and try to convice the Arab regimes that are hostile to Israel, I'm sure that on every step toward peace they make, Israel will make two.
by anti-shish
I see you are not interested in peace. You are one of the people who would push the Jewish people into war, death and destruction to advance a senseless political agenda. Maybe you are not an anti-semite in that you do not intrinsically hate Jews; but you certainly do not care how much Jewish blood you spill, have spilled, and will spill in the name of your precious state.
by X2
a poll of a mere 5000 people in a nation of 5 million by an unrecognized, uncertified, non professional polling agency is hardly credible.

And even if it were, there is the question of whether or not it is still true that it is a good thing. Nazi Germany published similar polls with similar support for the Final Solution. The problem with all this is that it has no basis in logic.

Argumentum ad numerum

This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example:

"The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that it doesn't in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous."

"All I'm saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid power, so there must be something to it."

These are examples of arguments of fallacy, such as the one you have just made.

On a final note, "shitkebab" generally agrees with your position and it is myself who does not. Also your inability to use logic is clearly illustrated by the use of derogatives such as "shitkebab".
by ShishKabab
"Can ShitKabob explain this?"

Anyone with half a brain can explain that. ;-)
That is a poll taken by "Arutz Sheva", an extreme right radio station, the results speak for themselves. As X2 put it, that poll is hardly relevant.

Name calling is rude, haven't you mom taught you that, be polite.
by Jay Hovah/Smeg
What I was trying to get across is the fact that the American sickness has spread to Israel.

You're making assumptions about my viewpoint based on what?
by X2
My apology. I did make an assumption about your viewpoint. It was bad logic on my part. I guess I make mistakes like that sometimes. Sorry about that.
However, I still contend that the poll is likely inaccurate. Extremely large Jewish rallies opposing the occupation have been reported in Israel.
by Tom
I generally do as I please.

Isnt that right Ryan?
by X2
Tom who the hell is Ryan? And what the hell are you talking about?
by Tom
Thats all boss. Ya might want to step aside a minute.
by Real Arab
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".....Arabs have many of the same desires and
expectations as we Americans. They love their
families, they love their country, they love their
land, they want to better themselves, they
want to live in peace, and they worship the
same God as Christians and Jews."

But look what the Zionist Jews are doing to them!!!
by Real Arab
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.....Again just see what the Zionist Jews are doing to Arabs!!!
by ........................................
"Again just see what the Zionist Jews are doing to Arabs!!!"

No crazy, look at what arabs are doing to each other- especially those born women and homosexual. Look at what arabs are doing- going to Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Europe, and the US to follow their dreams............. of killing those unlike themselves
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