Americans Beware of Zionists in the Wake of 9/11

"Americans must first become fully aware of the simple fact that Zionist Jews have hijacked our government, dominate our media and wield mighty financial clout in every important arena of American life. Just wake up and smell the coffee. Look around. Read. You'll see. "

It is fine to criticize zionism, but how is this not anti-semitic trash? Yeah, you know, jews run the banks, the media.... they're the reason why everyone else suffers - they should be eradicated.

Sounds like Hitler to me. Please, please remove posts like these.

almost certainly the article above was written by one of our local trolls, who seem to be an odd mix of soon-to-be-unemployed academic weirdo leftovers from McCarthyism and neo-nazi street skinhead types. Obviously written to discredit the left.
Anyone fairly educated on the issues knows that although indeed there are Jews that are not Zionists, there are also Zionists who do not support occupation (eg, B'Tselem) something which gets rare mention in freak conservative circles - which is where this post no doubt originated. Hopefully they do censor it. Then Smash will start raving again about the editorial policy (its probly him who posted it, or one of his cohorts - they think they are really smart - what a laugh!)

Interestingly, the article does attempt (in its' own anti-semitic way) to say something that I've been trying to get across to the people on this IMC - That is, that "zionism is the desire for a jewish homeland" is different from the lebensraum-esque policies of Likud.

If the progressive movement could see this distinction, I think it would find the majority of American Jews in its corner.

there are lebensraum-esque comparisons on both sides, both equally valid criticisms. This is why taking sides and fighting has to stop immediatly. The Jews and Palestinians are falling prey to the oldest Western trick in the book, utilized on almost all former colonies: divide and conquer. Leave, and ensure future conflicts which will last for generations, disrupting industrial and technological competition and guaranteeing a market upon which to build up a massive military-industrial complex at home. Its the Anglo blueprint for permanent world domination.

I ,who know the full meaning of antisemitism, can honestly say that this piece of writing contains no trace of antisemtism and is a coherent testament to the predicament facing the democrats, republicans, jews and non-jews alike.
It clearly defines who falls under the category of zionist, and takes the time to differentiate between fanatic sects and moderate sects of zionism.

we've had enough of the duplicitious and transparent stupidity of you Aryan Nations folks. You don't know crap about the above article. You're sussed dude.

For the most part, I agree with you, X2. It is definitely true that the first step is to cease hostilities. However, I take issue with this quote:

"Leave, and ensure future conflicts which will last for generations, disrupting industrial and technological competition and guaranteeing a market upon which to build up a massive military-industrial complex at home. Its the Anglo blueprint for permanent world domination. "

It seems to me that western governments interfere not to support a military-industrial complex, but rather a consumer-industrial complex. After all, while the military certainly is a large component of Western GDP, consumer spending is an exponentially bigger number.

In other words, western governments interfere in a Habsburgesque manner (which is what you were implying with 'divide and conquer') so as not to disturb the so-called "free market", shielding the populace from the financial swings associated with political upheaval. Keep everyone in your own country fat and happy, the rest of the world be damned, and the electorate will keep you in office.

All this wouldn't necissarily be a bad thing, except for the fact that developing countries get toyed with in the process, hoping for the next round of IMF loans or developmental grants as long as they play by the West's rules. To me, all this does is create a permanent feudal system between those that currently "have" and those that do not.

Being the local Zionist (isn't it funny that left wing Zionists don't count as Zionists according to this poster? How offensive!) I think it is my duty to retaliate to anyone stupid enough to think that Anti-Semitism is a response to Zionism, rather than Zionism being a response to Anti-Semitsm. I mean heck, Herzl got his idea after witnessing the anti-semitism of the Dreyfuss affair.

This is a letter from 1968, but I think it's just as valid now.

A LETTER FROM JERUSALEM

BY ELIEZER BEN-ISRAEL

The following "letter" by a Jew to the Gentile world first appeared as an editorial in the long-defunct "Jerusalem Times" in 1969. Twenty-seven years later, most the feelings and thoughts it conveys remain uncannily appropriate.

I AM a Jerusalemite - like yourselves, a man of flesh and blood. I am a citizen of my city, an integral part of my people.

I have a few things to get off my chest. Because I am not a diplomat, I do not have to mince words. I do not have to please you, or even persuade you. I owe you nothing. You did not build this city; you did not live in it; you did not defend it when they came to destroy it. And we will be damned if we will let you take it away.

There was a Jerusalem before there was a New York. When Berlin, Moscow, London, and Paris were miasmal forest and swamp, there was a thriving Jewish community here. It gave something to the world which you nations have rejected ever since you established yourselves - a humane moral code.

Here the prophets walked, their words flashing like forked lightning. Here a people who wanted nothing more than to be left alone, fought oft waves heathen would-be conquerors, bled and died on the battlements, hurled themselves into the flames of their burning Temple rather than surrender, and when finally overwhelmed by sheer numbers and led away into captivity, swore that before they forgot Jerusalem, they would see their tongues cleave to their palates, their right arms wither.

For two pain-filled millennia, while we were your unwelcome guests, we prayed daily to return to this city. Three times a day we petitioned the Almighty: "Gather us from the four corners of the world, bring us upright to our land; return in mercy to Jerusalem, Thy city, and dwell in it as Thou promised." On every Yom Kippur and Passover, we fervently voiced the hope that next year would
find us in Jerusalem.

Your inquisitions, pogroms, expulsions, the ghettos into which you jammed us, your forced baptisms, your quota systems, your genteel anti-Semitism, and the final unspeakable horror, the Holocaust (and worse, your terrifying disinterest in it) - all these have not broken us.

They may have sapped what little moral strength you still possessed, but they forged us into steel. Do you think that you can break us now, after all that we have been through? Do you really believe that after Dachau and Auschwitz we are frightened by your threats of blockades and sanctions? We have been to hell and back - a hell of your making. What more could you possibly have in your arsenal that could scare us?

I have watched this city bombarded twice by nations that call themselves civilized. In 1948, while you looked on apathetically, I saw woman and children blown to smithereens, after we agreed to your request to internationalise the city.

It was a deadly combination that did the job. British officers, Arab gunners, and American-made cannons. And then the savage sacking of the Old City, the willful slaughter, the wanton destruction of every synagogue and religious school; the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, the sale by a ghoulish government of tombstones for building materials, for poultry runs, army camps - even latrines.

And you never said a word.

You never breathed the slightest protest when the Jordanians shutoff the holiest of our places, the Western Wall, in violation of the pledges they had made after the war - a war they waged, incidentally, against the decision of the UN. Not a murmur came from you whenever the legionnaires in their spiked helmets casually opened fire upon our citizens from behind the walls. Your hearts bled when Berlin came under siege. But you did not send one ounce of food when Jews starved in besieged Jerusalem....

The only time you came to life was when the city was at last reunited. Then you wrung your hands and spoke loftily of "justice" and the need for the "Christian" quality of turning the other cheek. The truth is - and you know it deep inside your gut - you would prefer the city be destroyed rather than have it governed by Jews. No matter how diplomatically you phrase it, the age-old prejudices seep
out of every word.

If our return to the city has tied your theology in knots, perhaps you had better re-examine your catechisms. After what we have been through, we are not passively going to accommodate ourselves to the twisted idea that we are to suffer eternal homelessness until we accept your saviour.

For the first time since the year 70 A.D. there is now complete religious freedom for all in Jerusalem. For the first time since the Romans put a torch to the Temple everyone has equal rights. (You prefer to have some more equal than others.) We loathe the sword- but it was you who forced us to take it up. We crave peace-but we are not going back to the peace of 1948 as you would like. We are home. It has a lovely sound for a nation you have willed to wander over the face of the globe. We are not leaving. We are redeeming the pledge made by our forefathers. Jerusalem is being rebuilt. "Next year" - and the year after, and after, and after, until the end of time - "in Jerusalem".

I challenge anyone to quote a statement within its context in this literary gem and correct it if it is false or offensive.
I take offense to the asshole bellow me, whose fowl language directed at me is another form of anti-semitism.

We are Not immune from criticism and healthy criticism should not be interperted as antisemitism.
As I have stated in my previous comment, I am fully aware of the gravity of this word and it should be thrown at anyone who dares reflect the ugly truth to you

a recap. let's see what was said here Mr. "Pro-Semite".

In the first article it is written:
"... Jews have hijacked our government, dominate our media and wield mighty financial clout in every important arena of American life...a tiny minority, the Zionist Jews, is deciding our country's laws and foreign policy...all along we've been lied to and manipulated by our Zionist-dominated media and politicans who are on the take"

Now that's some rather obvious Nazi propaganda, couched as it is to appear progressive, it includes this false concept, intended to manufacture anti-semitism, which the far right is trying to push across.

"Pro-Semite" replies to this article:
"I ,who know the full meaning of antisemitism, can honestly say that this piece of writing contains no trace of antisemtism and is a coherent testament to the predicament facing the democrats, republicans, jews and non-jews alike."

I think, "pro-semite" it is rather obvious where you stand ... you are trying to make antisemitism acceptable. Jews don't control America, sorry. They don't own everything in the world. They own some, yes. But no more than the Anglos or the Japanese or the Germans or any of those groups. You're sussed. The left will not buy into your retarded ZOG theories. The leftist position is rather simple; Israel is a client state. Try, try again. Ever feel like you're beating your bald head against a wall????

ONE WORD: CYNTHIA MCKINNY

"pro-semite" can't defend himself from the charges so he tries to change the subject.

The challenge was to quote the statement within its context , try again!

Hello x2- would you define what constitutes antisemtism please?

'antisemtism' (sic) would be hatred of Jewish persons and programs or doctrines which embrace such. The original article espoused a well known far right white power theory that the American government and economy and media are entirely controlled by Jews; you supported it. No elements of the anti-occupation movement embrace this theory except the white power groups desperately attempting to latch on to the issue. They often attempt to masquerade as leftists here and push their theory across but they are always sussed.
Why? because the anti-occupation activists are by and large anti-racist activists too. They do not believe you can generalize in this way and they are well educated as to who actually runs the economy and the media and the government and it is not Zionists. Israel is a country utilized by America as a proxy army in the Middle East, not the other way around. We will always be suspicious of anyone painting any ethnic group black, which is why we are drawn to the Palestinian crisis, unlike white power groups, who are drawn out of hatred for both Jews and Arabs: that hate always and unmistakably shines through.

"It seems to me that western governments interfere not to support a military-industrial complex, but rather a consumer-industrial complex. After all, while the military certainly is a large component of Western GDP, consumer spending is an exponentially bigger number."

Perhaps I should have clarified, q.
Creating arms markets by creating regions of conflict serves multiple purposes. First, a dependancy on arms means the victim region will give up natural resources in trade for arms and will also be forced to make certain concessions since you can't get military hardware just anywhere; there is a price higher than just dollars to be paid for it. The cheap labour and natural resources support the primary goal (the consumer base at home) but also ensure that the means of global control - the military industrial complex at home - stays strong and productive at all times. The purpose of keeping it this way is so that the imperialist has the most well-equipped national army with the latest technology, a strong rate of military production and lots of proxy armies. Also the client states created in the conflict zones ensures something fundamental; they cannot conflict against their supplier for they would be demobilized quickly by military sanctions, and their opponent in the conflict region would then be supplied and supported as a proxy army. For instance if Israel decided to behave in a way that the US didn't like, suddenly you would see them cut off while American arms shipments suddenly started going to Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt. It's a trap. But you're right the end and primary goal to all this security and control is natural resources which support the consumer industrial base.
This is different from the IMF type plan you are talking about, which occurs mostly in non-conflict regions, like Argentina or Brazil. Here it is not necessary or possible to create ethnic military conflict, so the emphasis is more on destabilizing the economy by toying with the currency and imposing unfair rules of trade. This isn't really what I was talking about, but more about areas where borders have been shaped for the purpose of creating ethnic conflict (eg Israel/Palestine or Pakistan/India)

Do you consider yourself as one who places Israel's interests above the United States interests all the while putting Jewish lives and entitlement to human rights over those of non-Jews?

All human life is equal and sacred.

Do you agree that Zionist are those who put Israel's interests above the United States interests, and who place Jewish lives and entitlement to human rights higher than non-Jews?

"England won the war, and the Nazis in Germany blamed the Jews for causing Germany to lose the war to England. Hence, the Jews were targetted in Germany, and were subjected to the Holocaust"

This article is not just anti-Semitic, it is Nazi doctrine in its purest form.

"..the Zionist Jews, is deciding our country's laws and foreign policy, which put Americans at risk of terrorist attacks and being hated by the rest of the world"

So the US was attacked because of the Jews... oh, I see. It's like saying that a pretty woman got raped because she looked nice.

Kim- read the entire article and avoid quoting segments of it out of context,please.

I read it; it's a fascist anti-Semitic assay with the distinct marks of a pro-Islamic agenda.

would you agree that zionism upholds fascists and antisemitic ( semitic= people with olive skin tone )tendencies?
this article defines it as such and is therefore anti-zionist ( anti fascist and anti those who have antisemitic tendencies.)

""England won the war, and the Nazis in Germany blamed the Jews for causing Germany to lose the war to England. Hence, the Jews were targetted in Germany, and were subjected to the Holocaust""

Now that's not Nazi doctrine; its an accurate analysis. Nazis used Jews as a scapegoat on which to blame their failures. Quite simple. The author is trying to twist facts though, he is saying that this scapegoating was justified. He fails to prove this but simply reiterates it verbatim from Nazi propaganda. We are asked to accept it as true, with no proof other than "the Nazis said so, so it must be true"

I wouldn't agree that modern Zionism upholds anti-semtism. I would agree that it has strong fascist tendencies as practiced by some, although there are many different forms of Zionism. I'd say Sharon certainly has fascist tendencies. But I'd also say an organization such as B'Tselem which is Zionist and very critical of the occupation, is a very progressive form of Zionism. I refuse to make generalized statements and paint all members of a group with the same brush. Sure, there are fascist Zionists. There are also black Democrats. All Zionists are fascists makes about as much sense as saying all Democrats are black.
As far as upholding anti-semitism I would say no, not in the present day. But, the Zionists did at one time turn their back on the victims of the Holocaust, saying "Only with blood will we have our state" and broke Jewish sanctions against Germany, trading with them for goods in the new colonies in the British Mandate. But this is history and has nothing to do with the present day. Zionists may be quick to label something anti-semitic, maybe a little too quick, but I certainly don't think they go around promoting it. It may seem that it would serve their interests, but would it? A rise in anti-semitism worldwide wouldn't really be in the best interests, politically and diplomatically, of Israel.

That Jews control the entire US government and economy is obvioulsy absurd. Does Bush look like a Jew? How about Cheney? No? Maybe Clinton did? Sorry but this just doesn't wash. America is controlled by Anglo-Irish elements in the main.

The article above is a psy-war attempt, and not a very good one. There is a tactic by trolls on this board to make anti-semitic pro-Nazi comments and then try to paint themselves as leftists. Its completely absurd and shouldn't be given any relevance whatsoever. What the neo-Nazi's want is for Zionists to see the American left as an enemy. This is a Nazi psy op program of misinformation. Don't be fooled. The author isn't really a leftist.

"it has strong fascist tendencies".....

unlike Islam as practiced in most of the world? Being obsessed with ZIonism doesn't change the fact that the really threat is the facism practiced under the guise of "islam"

"it has strong fascist tendencies".....

unlike Islam as practiced in most of the world? Being obsessed with ZIonism doesn't change the fact that the really threat is the facism practiced under the guise of "islam"

"it has strong fascist tendencies".....

unlike Islam as practiced in most of the world? Being obsessed with ZIonism doesn't change the fact that the really threat is the facism practiced under the guise of "islam"

Now I don't generalize like that, as you do. I said Sharon has strong fascist tendencies but I carefully made very clear that not all Zionists do.
No, Islam cannot be called fascist either. Certainly some specific elements of it can. Some specific elements of Christianity can too. Some Islamics are fascist. Some Zionists are fascist. Some Christians are fascists. Some Democrats have brown hair. Now, are all Islamics, Zionists and Christians fascists? Only if all Democrats have brown hair.

x2 why I are you so threatened by the truth>
Is it true that truth is much more of a threat to a zionist than racist fiction>
I encourage all too see past the name calling "x2", "kim & "..."
engage in and read for themselves the article and also the links provided.
As a Jew, I was not offended one bit by this article.

Stehani, I doubt you're a Jew. If you were, you would hear the Nazi-like overtones in:

"Americans must first become fully aware of the simple fact that Zionist Jews have hijacked our government, dominate our media and wield mighty financial clout in every important arena of American life. Just wake up and smell the coffee. Look around. Read. You'll see."

Only a Nazi moron could be so stupid as to think no one would see through his little efforts. Stephani you are truly a fine example of the unintelligent propagandists put forth by desperate neo-Nazi organizations.

To the desperate folks above this comment,,, why don't you ask yourslefs who came first question: the chicken or the egg?
The zionist movement originated somewhere in the late eighteen hundreds, flash forward a half a century later and the tragic holocaust takes place... miracalously israel takes place...
chronology is the death sentence to your argument!

"miracalously israel takes place..."

It wasn't a miracle, Israel was established so that the holocaust would not be repeated. You people are the reason Israel exists.

Again, your arguments are very useful for excusing a rape - the woman looked pretty, so she was raped. The Jews wanted a country - so the holocaust happened. The US wants Israel to survive, so they deserved 9-11.

Once there was a beautiful woman named Palestine.
Her beauty was an inspiration to all around her who wrote of her timelessness and mystique.
No one was immune to her charm and many tried to capture her.
Some were more aggressive than others yet she remained unscathed.
Meanwhile, on another continent there was a man named Herzle.
Herzle was a disgruntled person who was rejected by the very woman he sought to spend his life with.
After seeing that the future with this woman ( whome we'll name Europa ) was glim,
he set his fortune on another pretty lady.
And there she was...
Standing across the Mediterenean sea,speaking
to him in his dreams-
he had to have her!
No longer filled with regret about his lack of success with the ladies,he set his eyes on Palestine knowing that she would be his regardless of her will.
He became ruthless everytime she rejected his advances.
When she painfully tried to force him off of her, all hell broke loose and he accused her of beating him to death.
When she dared act up, he violently put her in her place by gang raping her with his buddies from the old continent.
Another 54 years go by and she is frequently made to answer baseless accusations of hating Europeans because she rejects them raping her..If one listens carefully when she gasps for breath before she is choked again one could hear her saying:
"not all europeans are rapists but all my rapists were europeans"!

that's a very simplistic view that will not serve to end conflict. Palestine was conquered and captured and fought over many many many many many many times in history, I'm afraid. Can't you people walk a middle line, or does everything have to be black and white all the time???!!!!!!

THEY DID IT, WHY CAN'T WE?
"Palestine was conquered and captured and fought over many many many many many many times in history"
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE THEY BEEN MADE TO ENDURE A HOLOCAUST OF SUCH MAGNITUDE!
NEVER BEFORE HAVE THEY BEEN COLLECTIVELY TORTURED TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW!

"Can't you people walk a middle line, or does everything have to be black and white all the time"
NO!
YOUR ALLY GEROGE BUSH HAS IT RIGHT:
"YOU DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH EVIL "

"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE THEY BEEN MADE TO ENDURE A HOLOCAUST OF SUCH MAGNITUDE"

That is not an holocaust, it's just fighting off muslim savages that strive to murder children and elderly man. When the IDF fights them back, they can only scream: "genocide, genocide".

Sorry, but a genocide is taking 40,000 people, shooting tham and dumping their bodies in one grave, and all in a day's work.

"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE THEY BEEN MADE TO ENDURE A HOLOCAUST OF SUCH MAGNITUDE"

That is not an holocaust, it's just fighting off muslim savages that strive to murder children and elderly man. When the IDF fights them back, they can only scream: "genocide, genocide".

Sorry, but a genocide is taking 40,000 people, shooting tham and dumping their bodies in one grave, and all in a day's work.

btw; what is a massacre?

Massacre is the deliberate mass killing of unprotected individuals, from which no threat is apperant (not done for self defence).

dear me: your a classic case of the rapist yelling fire

what is your definition of a massacre/holocaust?

Artist: Nirvana
title: Rape Me


Rape me
Rape me my friend,
Rape me,
Rape me again.
I'm not the only one
Hate me,
Do it, and do it again.
Waste me,
Rape me, my friend.

Fear and anxiety are manifest in your essay, I'm sorry for you and wish you well.

Nevertheless, it appears that you are spreading falsehood and libels, and this demands a truthful response. Please consider the following ideas. Have the courage to seek truth and justice, and you will find that your personal safety will increase while at the same time community ethics will be improved.

THE BOTTOM LINE:
The idea that Israel the *cause* of antisemitism is simply backward.
The TRUTH is that antisemitism created Israel.

'Combatting the International Zionist Conspiracy' by committing violence against *random* Jews is simple ignorant bigotry. Excusing antisemitism as viable method of 'fighting zionism' has as much basis as excusing the KKK for lynching African-American men in order to defend the sanctity of white womanhood. It's all of the same fabric; simple racist nonsense.

It is impossible to placate bigots by giving in to them. The best method of fighting bigotry is to answer the Big Lies and Blood Libels with TRUTH.

You are engaging in Big Lie propaganda, e.g.: The Zionist Occupying Government (ZOG) has hijacked Bush, Cheney, and the other in the U.S. Gov't; the foundation of Israel is murderous racism, etc.

These are pitiful Big Lies, and they demand a TRUTHFUL answer.

We cannot placate bigots by accepting some of their worst lies about Jews, or ANY other minority group. This will only serve to increase bigotry (e.g. antisemitism) among the plurality who don't know much about history. If all they hear is the Big Lies, then it will not help if American Jews attempt to 'save' themselves by accepting certain 'politically corrrect' Big Lies (e.g. Israel only exists because it is useful as a US military forward position in the Mid-East). One Big Lie leads to another. When the plurality accepts the Blood Libels along with the other lies, then antisemitic violence will bloom.

For instance, Kevin Svorak published flat-out lies in Indymedia about Israel massacring ~500 civilians in Jenin in April, 2002 ( http://nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=22676&group=webcast). This Blood Libel led to a rash of synagogue arson, jew-beatings, and (in Europe) actual murders of random Jews.

Every investigation of Jenin has exposed Svorak story as a complete falsification. Reports from defacto anti-zionist organizations, such as the UN (http://www.un.org/peace/jenin/) and the Human Rights Watch (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/05/jenin0503.htm ) conclude that the Israelis told the truth, that 52 Palestinians died, the vast majority were armed combatants who killed 23 Israeli soldiers in fierce fighting, that the Palestinian Jihadi set ~2000 booby-traps and mines in the Jenin Refugee Camp, that there was no Israeli massacre of Palestinian civilians. Skvorak and Indymedia spread a very inflammatory lie, one that soon had a life of its own and spread throughout the world as a Blood Libel.

History is replete with Blood Libels, as as result the Blood Libel phenomenon is well understood. It is used to incite and excuse prejudicial hatred and inspire violence. Documented history records many bigots and their blood libels (e.g. 'they spread the plague', 'they poisoned the well', 'they teach witchcraft', 'they use non-jewish children's blood to make matzah', etc.), which caused awful hate-crimes. Blood libels have led to arson and murder throughout European history. Skvorak's 'Jenin Massacre' blood libel was classically effective.

If Mr. Skvorak's intention was to incite racist violence against Jews, he succeeded. Synagogues and other assorted Jewish Centers were torched throughout Europe in late April and early May, as the accusations of the 'Jenin Massacre' spread, and several European Jews were killed.

Even well intentioned folks who normally avoid bigoted positions ended up excusing this racist violence. Perhaps you remember the argument: assaulting random Jews may halt Israeli's slaughter of Palestinians. What slaughter? Well, look at the 'Jenin Massacre'....

If Hamas, Fatah, and the other other Jihadi ever *DID* win a decisive victory, it is likely many would attempt do exactly what they've repeatedly and openly promised to do: remove every Jew from Palestine, into the sea if necessary. Phillip Roth calls this 'the second Holocaust'. If such crimes ever did come to pass, I have no doubt that indymedia activists would portray the slaughter as a triumph of 21st justice, and history be damned.

So what's the proper course of action in the face of these libels?
Seek Justice and Truth. Do not be afraid of the facts.


Here are the relevant facts (in precis):

Zionism's core value is CIVIL RIGHTS. Any discussion of Israel that ignores the basic CIVIL RIGHTS issues is mortally wounded by ignoring the most important single motivating force behind the Zionist Movement.

Early Christianity was profoundly affected by St. Augustine's formulation that Jews are guilty of deicide (killing Christ), and they compound the guilt by continuing to reject Christianity. Because Jews are not 'reborn' via 'G-d's only begotten son', Jews are condemned to Eternal Damnation. St. Augustine recognizes that it is improper to slaughter or eliminate the Jews. Augustine says they must be humiliated and kept in a depraved state to serve as an object lesson to the Christian community on the fate that befalls people who reject Christ.

The Augustinian formulation gave birth to the Ghetto system and the other atrocities that tormented Jews in Christian Europe. The Jew was, at best, 'property' of the aristocracy or the Church. The Jews never had equal civil rights with Christians in Europe until the Enlightenment. In the late 1700s the Jews began to be 'emancipated'. The last Ghetto was lifted in 1870, i.e. Jews achieved emancipation in Europe at about the same time that African-Americans were emancipated in the U.S. The results of the two emancipations were startling different.

In Europe, fear of the *Emancipated* Jew was apparently greater than fear of the Ghetto Jew. By the late 1800s there were political parties all over Europe that proposed the roll-back of civil rights for Jews, and failing that, ELIMINATION of Jews from Europe.

'Antisemitism' was the name the Christian Jew-Haters gave to their political philosophy of depriving emancipated Jews of their civil rights. This term was always reserved for Jews, never applied to Arabs. The notion that it applies to Arabs occurred after WWII in order to obscure the original meaning, and more importantly to suppress the factual history. Luckily, late 19th century European history is well-documented, and these facts are easy to confirm through independent research.

Many Jewish thinkers in the late 1800s realistically (and prophetically) appraised the situation and concluded that it was only a matter of time before the core group of antisemites (always a small minority) used the well-understood tactics of 'Big Lie' and 'Blood Libel' to motivate the European plurality into a sense of 'justifiable' violence against random Jews in order to overcome the Jewish Menace.

For many Jews, the solution was to go to America, to the country with constitutional Freedom of Religion.

For other 19th Century Jews, the solution was to first recognize that Europeans may one day attempt to violently ELIMINATE the Jews altogether, and the best way to prevent the slaughter of millions of Jews involved the establishment of Jewish Homeland. The Jewish Homeland could defend Jews via diplomacy; failing that it could intervene militarily to combat the bigots, and failing all else it could provide a port of refuge for Jews running from European violence.

THE PRIMARY FORCE BEHIND THE CREATION OF ISRAEL IS ELIMINATIONIST ANTISEMITISM.
ANY DISCUSSION OF ZIONISM THAT SUPPRESSES THIS FACT IS A "BIG LIE" OF OMISSION.

Israel was created because it was obvious in the 1890s that many European movements were converging on an ELIMINATION of European Jewry. This realization was not confined to Jews. It underlay the numerous international attempts to set up a Jewish Homeland in Palestine (in 1917, 1920, 1921, 1937) before it was finally established via UN agreement in 1947.

FACT: When the British offered Uganda as the location of the Jewish Homeland to the Jews in 1901, Herzl (and the other Zionists) rejected the proposal. Why? Because, as Herzl explained at the time, if Zionists were not occupied with attempting to establish their own homeland, they would be working to free Africa from the clutches of Imperialist Europe. In fact, Israelis were active throughout the continent in the '50s and '60s supporting all sorts of liberation movements. Why? Because African Liberation was completely congruent with the civil rights foundation of Zionism.

This history has been suppressed by bigots who portray Israelis as inherently racist, an extension of the libel that Judaism is a white racist sect that attempts to subjugate all the other peoples in the world. The suppression of the contributions of Zionism to African Liberation is another 'Big Lie' of omission, as egregious as the nefarious lies about apartheid within modern Israel.

In fact, there are Jews among all the races of the world. There were lots of Black African Jews (Ghana, Nigeria, Uganda, Ivory Coast, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Ethiopia, etc.), just as there were Chinese Jews in Khai Feng, and Indian Jews (especially in the Malabar Coast). All these racial groups, along with Arab Jews, and 'Aryan' Jews (from Iran & Afghanistan :-) walk the streets of Israel. Racially, the Jews are as diverse as NYC itself. Is this reality ever featured in Indymedia? How many African-Americans realize there are 1/4 million African-Israelis?

What lessons do we draw? Well, it is not reasonable to think that antisemitism will disappear if we cater to the racist liars. It will not go away if we refrain from identifying bigots as what they are: bigots. This may not be politically correct (e.g. the indymedia crowd get positively violent when they are confronted with their own bigotry) nor comfortable (no one likes to point out someone else's prejudice nor ignorance). Yet at the same time there is really no other moral nor ethical alternative. The discomfort of pursuing and speaking Truth is a prerequisite for the pursuit of Justice.

And let us never forget the primary Jewish Commandmants: Choose Life, Avoid False 'gods', and Pursue Justice.

There really is no other viable alternative.

I really wish you all the best, and hope that you will find the courage to confront these problems with the integrity that will lead you to serenity and peace.

Holocaust: An act of great destruction and loss of life.
It is Not associated with any religion.

Massacre: A deliberate killing of unprotected individuals from which no threat is apperant wether they are Muslims, Christians or Jewish.

There's so many distortions in your fabrication I can't begin to sort them out. I'll try.

"'Combatting the International Zionist Conspiracy' by committing violence against *random* Jews is simple ignorant bigotry. Excusing antisemitism as viable method of 'fighting zionism' has as much basis as excusing the KKK for lynching African-American men in order to defend the sanctity of white womanhood. It's all of the same fabric; simple racist nonsense."

You've been fooled by trolls intent on a campaign of misinformation intended to put an end to reasonable discussion by polarizing viewpoints. Most posts referring to 'zionazis' or attacking Jews come from far right neo-Nazis intent on destroying this site. Most progressive people feel that racism and ethnic discrimination against anyone is bad, which is why they wonder ... and certainly you must see why they do ... what the Hell is going on in Palestine. Just reverse the situation, pretend that the Jews are Palestinians and vice-versa and you can easily see the reason for concern. American leftists have no desire to 'drive the Jews into the sea' this is not the thrust of their argument. It is simply that no one should be treated differently because of their ethnicity. I do not say Jews are racist, I say people are racist. To say Jews are incapable of racism, is itself, racism. Every human being on the planet has a potential for racism and no one must think their people are better or more just than any others.

I can understand your concerns about antisemitism in the Diaspora. Neo-nazi organizations are puffing themselves up larger than they actually are. Don't be fooled, they want you to believe they are bigger and more mainstream than they really are. They are just freakish marginalized whacko cults, drawing the misfits and reprobates of our society. To give them any credibility well you might as well extend it to Heaven's Gate Cult, Satanists, and people who think Jesus is on a UFO coming to take us all to the Tenth Dimension.

As far as the UN and HRW go, yes they did determine that 500 people were not killed and that this claim was false. People in ethnic conflicts make false claims all the time, including Israel, which portrays so many Israeli casualties in the face of the fact that Palestinian casualties are three times as high or higher. Palestinians too make wild claims. This is because both groups are human and essentially prone to the same mistakes. However: UN and HRW nonetheless condemned Israel for human rights abuses and atrocities in Jenin. They were refused entry to visit and were forced to write the report " without a visit to Jenin or the other Palestinian cities in question". The report itself is not exactly glowing with enthusiasm for Israel's tactics. Some relevant quotes:
"Some journalists reported being fired at by members of IDF."
"There were numerous reports of IDF compelling Palestinian civilians to accompany them during house searches, check suspicious subjects, stand in the line of fire from militants and in other ways protect soldiers from danger."
"documented extensive physical damage to Palestinian Authority civilian property. That damage included the destruction of office equipment, such as computers and photocopying machines, that did not appear to be related to military objectives. While denying that such destruction was systematic, the Israeli Defence Forces have admitted that their personnel engaged in some acts of vandalism"
"humanitarian agencies reported shortages of food and other basic supplies "
"Over 2,800 refugee housing units were damaged and 878 homes were demolished or destroyed during the reporting period, leaving more than 17,000 people homeless"
"Fifty Palestinian schools were damaged by Israeli military action, of which 11 were totally destroyed, 9 were vandalized, 15 used as military outposts and another 15 as mass arrest and detention centres."
"some human rights groups and Palestinian eyewitnesses assert that IDF soldiers did not take all possible measures to avoid hurting civilians, and even used some as human shields."
"There are reports that during this period IDF increased missile strikes from helicopters and the use of bulldozers - including their use to demolish homes and allegedly bury beneath them those who refused to surrender - and engaged in "indiscriminate" firing."
"Human Rights Watch documented 22 civilians among the 52 dead, while Physicians for Human Rights noted that "children under the age of 15 years, women and men over the age of 50 years accounted for nearly 38 per cent of all reported fatalities"."
"IDF appeared to have shifted tactics from house-to-house searches and destruction of the homes of known militants to wider bombardment with tanks and missiles."
"human rights investigations allege that the destruction was both disproportionate and indiscriminate, some houses coming under attack from the bulldozers before their inhabitants had the opportunity to evacuate."
"an extensive use of armoured bulldozers and helicopter gunships on 9 and 10 April, possibly even after the fighting had begun to subside."
"those surrendering included wanted Islamic Jihad and Fatah leaders; others were three injured people and a 13-year-old boy."
"the prolonged delay in obtaining medical attention for the wounded and sick within the camp. As the fighting began to subside, ambulances and medical personnel were prevented by IDF from reaching the wounded within the camp, despite repeated requests to IDF to facilitate access for ambulances"
" senior United Nations officials criticized Israel for its handling of humanitarian access in the aftermath of the battle and, in particular, its refusal to facilitate full and safe access to the affected populations in violation of its obligations under international humanitarian law. "
" IDF ordered the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) to stop its operations and sealed off the hospital. Hospital staff contend that shells and gunfire severely damaged equipment on the top floor "
Your source isn't actually supporting your position very well, at this point. I don't need to tell you that it was equally critical of Palestinians; this we all know and it is not a subject of disagreement. But this is no black and white issue, obviously.

And herein lies the problem for both Jews and Palestinians. Neither is able to take a middle road, neither is able to see their own crimes against the other because both are engaged in a 'blood libel' as you call it, against the other. Each reprisal against the foe brings reprisals from the foe and so on and so on. Well, an eye for an eye and you will all be blind.

On a final note there is something more important than seeking justice and truth, which makes that task so much easier: do not lie. Do not see things only from your viewpoint and ignore that which disagrees with it. Be capable of accepting all the facts, even the uncomfortable ones. No "side" has a monopoly on the truth, for there are two sides to every story. Sometimes both are a bit right, and a bit wrong at the same time.