top
Indybay
Indybay
Indybay
Indybay
Indybay
Regions
Indybay Regions North Coast Central Valley North Bay East Bay South Bay San Francisco Peninsula Santa Cruz IMC - Independent Media Center for the Monterey Bay Area North Coast Central Valley North Bay East Bay South Bay San Francisco Peninsula Santa Cruz IMC - Independent Media Center for the Monterey Bay Area California United States International Americas Haiti Iraq Palestine Afghanistan
Topics
Newswire
Features
From the Open-Publishing Calendar
From the Open-Publishing Newswire
Indybay Feature

Sign the Moveon.org petition, show up at Senator's office to oppose war in Iraq

by bov
So far about 400 are scheduled to show up at Boxer's office on Wednesday (noon)
As you know, this Wednesday, in every state, MoveOn members will meet with their Senators (or their staff) and express their deep concern about the Bush White House's rush to war with Iraq. In each meeting, the
members will deliver a copy of the signatures on our "No War on Iraq" petition from their state.

Please ask your friends and colleagues to sign the petition at:

http://www.moveon.org/nowar/

In your state, you've joined 100 people in signing the
petition. Our goal is to reach 1,000 by Wednesday, and to top 100,000 nationally. Country-wide, we're already three quarters of the way there -- but we need your help to put us over the top.

The more signers our local delegations represent, the more likely it is that our national leaders will take their concerns seriously.

Please take a moment to pass the message below along to folks who share your concern about a war on Iraq and want to hear from you on this.

Time is running out, but with your help we can reach our goals and send a powerful message to the Senate.

Sincerely,
--Wes, Joan, Carrie, Peter, Eli, and Randall
MoveOn.org
August 26th, 2002

P.S. I've included a copy of our original outreach below.

---------------------------------------------------

Dear friend of MoveOn,

The Bush White House is aggressively promoting war on Iraq, against the advice of its diplomats, and without strong support from Congress, the American public, or our allies.

Today we are launching a petition to oppose a war that would likely undermine both national and world security. Let’s show our representatives that they have strong public support to stop this war.

If you sign today, your comments will be hand-delivered to your Senators as part of a national day of action next week. We're organizing constituent meetings with Senate offices everywhere.

Sign the petition at:

http://www.moveon.org/nowar/

It's important that we speak out against a war in which many of our young people, and likely many more innocent Iraqis, would die.

Even top Republican leaders are publicly questioning a war:

Brent Scowcroft, the former National Security Advisor, says a U.S.
invasion of Iraq "could turn the whole region into a cauldron and,
thus, destroy the war on terrorism." He also says "there is scant

evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations, and even less to
the Sept. 11 attacks."

Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) says the CIA has "absolutely no evidence"

that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.

Henry Kissinger says, "The notion of justified pre-emption runs
counter to modern international law, which sanctions the use of force
in self-defense only against actual -- not potential -- threats."
Kissinger also says, "American military intervention in Iraq would be

supported only grudgingly, if at all, by most European allies."

Dick Armey, the House Majority Leader (R-TX-26), says, "I don't believe

that America will justifiably make an unprovoked attack on another
nation. It would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation
or what we should be as a nation."

We've got to speak out too. Do your part at:

http://www.moveon.org/nowar/

Thank you.

Sincerely,

- Wes, Joan, Carrie, Peter, Eli, and Randall
MoveOn.org
August 21st, 2002

P.S. See our website for how you can participate in our day of action,
and for helpful articles on widespread opposition to the war.
by David K. Dickinson
I support President Bush's war on terrorism. I feel that he needs the support of the people and the congress and our allies before he , we ,make a move against Sudam Husain. Anyone that thinks that Sudam didn't have a hand in it is nieve. Our main aggresion should be against drugs, the money that supports terrorism.
You don't wait until you die of a heart attach to do something about it. You diet and exersize, take preventive measures. That's what we need to do with Hussain, starve him and exersize our rights.
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by Terry Morawitz
this is not the question.....we have NO international justification for going to war against acountry that has done nothing to provoke us.We only talk about what THEY MIGHT DO....what about Pakistan,India,Israel,(to whom,by the way,we have supplied and are continuing to supply with arms.)
by aaron
You see, Brigg, despite what Rush et al. may have you believe, there does exist a difference between liberals and radicals (socialists, anarchists etc). The right, of course, labels anyone evincing even the least bit of critical-mindedness a liberal or communist. But in the real world, these words have a meaning which doesn't cohere with the blabber from malicious imbeciles on talk radio. In fact, it's pretty much an American phenomenon to treat everything to the left of some arbitrary political middlepoint as all the same.
by Saddam Hussien
Hey ,Honoi Jane helped the Viet-Cong win and you can help me too! All this leftist stuff that I woun't dare allow in my own country is helping out big time! I could remain in power forever thanks to you leftists.
I can't wait till I get to nuke Isreal!

Can someone please tell me what the difference is? Aaron said there is a difference but I just don't see it. I mean on the left side of politics you have Democrats that really want to make the system work, and then as you get farther left, it seems like the sentiment grows more towards wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater and start over. The farther left you get the more radical the liberal. Anarchists, socialist, communist radicals just seem to me to be subsets of the liberal animal. Maybe someone can help me out with this.
§.
by .
Democrats are dumbfucks. The further left you go the bigger the dumbfucks becomes. You finally reach anarchists where the largest dumbfucks lie, and I don't mean exist, I mean lie as in don't tell the truth. Remember the further left, the bigger the disception.
by impartial observer
the exact opposit is true. The ones here who tell the most lies and babble the most gibberish are inevitably rightists.
by bov
washington indymedia gets posting from someone named 'sky' who is a lukewarm version of STL, and they out her on every post that she makes. They also have a couple of others, Bill and Carol, who post their real emails and names and seem strangely ignorant about the purposes of indymedia, claiming to want to help it become 'more professional,' etc.

I argued with a couple of dems at this action and they basically are just masochists who are well aware that the dems are spineless, but think they can 'educate' their leaders about what their constituents 'really' want.

They were angered by my attempts to force Camejo brochures into their hands. One white democrat (virtually all were), whose chin was bleeding, started following me, saying "We have GEORGE BUSH because of the Greens!" over and over - funny but sad.
by X2
Your confusion comes from the 2 party system in America which sees everything in terms of this sort of 'on off' 'yes no' binary kind of way. Political opinions are truly diverse.
If you really want to educate yourself about it, research the history of liberalism, socialism, and conservatism. I can give you some good links to get you started, and if you really want to understand it you have to start at the beggining with the death of the feudal system and people challenging the monarchies, the political theories behind the revolutions in France and America. Liberalism and conservatism are so misrepresented today it's no wonder anyone who hasn't invested the time to know the history can get confused.
As far as your question about radicals goes, there are radicals on the right wing too (such as the Nazis). Most radical thought centers around socialist thinking. Not all but alot of it does. If you really want a quick understanding here goes:

conservative: keep things the same, try to stop or slow down change. It may not be perfect but at least if it stays the same it won't be any worse.

liberalism: personal liberties are most important. My rights are absolute. Government should not interfere with trade, or as little as possible. Progress of any kind is good; if it has bad side effects future progress will address these.

nationalism: our country is the best. We must have a strong military. We must maintain our sovereignty. We must have a land to call our own.

socialism: people work better as a team. A whole bunch of people shouldn't have to suffer because of one person. The group is more important than the individual. If we work together everyone will benefit. Individual rights are good but the rights of the society as a whole are important too.

Now, not really anyone in this day and age espouses a pure form of any of these theories, but rather a mix of them. But its important to understand these theories if you want to understand a political group. Its just not as simple as Republican and Democrat. These are just tools that political groups use to try and get their viewpoints implemented. This is why you see correlations between the Democrats and the radical left, or between the Republicans and the radical right. It's because the radical groups have no political representation, they try to get it through these parties even though they don't always agree with them. Democrats and radical leftists are light years apart in alot of ways. They're as far apart - farther even - than Republicans and far right groups like neonazis. America really needs 4 political parties, not 2.
by Leftist Genius
- The ones here who tell the most lies and babble the most gibberish are inevitably rightists. -

You're just saying that because if you agreed with them you would believe the opposite.
by bov
They're even worse than the republicans, who at least stand behind something and act on it.
by just browsing
It's funny AND it's true. Ya know?
§r
by o
i like the one where bov tried to act smart funny and true
by impartial observer
So what's your point?
We are 100% volunteer and depend on your participation to sustain our efforts!

Donate

$140.00 donated
in the past month

Get Involved

If you'd like to help with maintaining or developing the website, contact us.

Publish

Publish your stories and upcoming events on Indybay.

IMC Network