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A Short Story.

by this thing here
I hope this never happens. These are just thoughts. Take them or leave them.
‘THE people gave their economy everything. They gave their love, their dreams, their waking hours, their sleeping hours, their intelligence, their muscle, their emotions, their religions, their arts, their health, their bodies, the bodies of their plants and animals and insects, their lands and oceans and skies, their fear and hope, their science, their technology. They gave everything. Every last entity was liquidated into money. Every last entity became a product bought and sold. Every last entity, whether tangible or intangible, physical or emotional, political or spiritual, became fuel for the economy.

AND so, their world began to change. The liberty and freedoms they so dearly valued were the first to change. These fundamental beliefs were once considered the inalienable rights of every human life. They were once thought to be priceless, beyond the realm of economy and money. But now they became exchangeable, and were transferred for other things. They became choices to be taken or not, depending on the impact to an overall economic efficiency. They said, “Our existence is entirely economic. All things must be given a price.” They said, "I shall refuse my right to speak and think freely, if my silence and obediance makes more money."

FREEDOM was once for all to feel. It now became a subject of ponderous debate and sentimental art, watched from a distance, by a silent audience, who paid money for the tickets. Liberty was once for all to exercise. It now became merely a choice, exercised or not. Shoulders were shrugged. “Whatever,” was said. Democracy was once for all to practice. It now became a choice handed out with a price that some could pay, and others could not. At the time, the phrase went, “What, would you take your democracy and your individual freedom, over the collapse of our Glorious Way?”

AS years and decades went by, they took these human rights and freedoms away from themselves, away from each other, and gave them to the economy, so that it would prosper and grow strong. Any rights and freedoms considered troublesome and inefficient to the economy were tailored or thrown out. They said, “I will give up my freedoms, so that the economy may live forever. My freedom is not eternal. But the economy’s must be.” So human freedom did not die in a war, nor was it crushed in an evil plot. It languished and withered away, like something no longer used, like something that had moved on to a different place. This was how the people wanted it to be.

AND so it was. Their endless giving created the most powerful force the world had seen. So powerful, the people kneeled before it and gave their lives to sustain it, as if their burning, war-torn bodies were pieces of coal in an ancient engine. In the year 2____, after decades of war, a war fought to crush all differences and answer all questions about the future, the world became one. “One empire! One way! One world!”, as the leaders, generals, and soldiers said. Separate nations and differing ideas had ended with the war. The world, and all it’s former races, religions and ideas, were now united in one selfless, till-the-end-of-time task: giving perpetual life to a grand economy.

AND in return, this power of all powers gave the people, in beautiful abundance and immaculate grandeur, everything they could ever conceive of wanting. Even love. In ages past, the people believed love was the one remaining emotion only humans could give one another. But the people were wrong. Love, too, became one more thing emulated and produced. The nurturing love between parent and child was first overcome. In a development heralded as revolutionary, infants and children were raised en mass, 1000’s at a time, by surrogate development specialists, allowing busy parents to work selflessly and endlessly. Parents were free to enjoy the company of their children without the burden that raising children placed on their working lives. In a similar revolution, teenagers and young people, no matter how troubled or how talented, were given guidance through intensive training regimens and corrective chemicals, insuring results and freeing parents from this difficult task.

AS they no longer found the need to love their children, they soon no longer found the need to love each other. As each person grew older, they learned to turn away from their families, from their children, from their friends, and from each other, and looked instead to their economy to provide them with products, chemicals, and feelings that satisfied them in ways that friendship and love once did. In this final, fundamental exchange, they gave their economy the love they once gave one another. And in return, the economy gave them its own version of love.

AND so, in the glorious machinery of their economic engine, their fundamental need for each other had been destroyed. In denying their humanity and their emotions, they learned to give themselves completely, as insects do, to sustain the health, glory and efficiency of the greater system. They were fully systematized. They had finally evolved.’
by I'm trying but,
I have really tried to understand this post. After re-reading this post several times I find that its looks like some Jew nonsense bot response to confuse and alienate our cause.

Please RSVP about what the fuck you are talking about, or FUCK OFF!
by X2
if you don't like what's written here , YOU fuck off back to your little nazi forums where nobody posts cuz you all suck ass
by just wondering
Read the garbage from X2/nessie, and you'll see there's no need to try and discredit this shithole. They trash their own house pretty well on their own.
by .......
As someone in another newsgroup said, it's troll season.

For what it's worth......

We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics:

They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior.

They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.

I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.

OK.

I've dealt with self-haters before, and this is what you can expect:

The only thing they can do with their venom is to flush it out on other people. As a result, everything they say about you is a reflection of their feelings about themselves.

Because of their self-hate, there is nothing that you can say that is as bad as what they see in themselves. You can't hurt them, no matter how hard you try.

The only thing that relieves their self-hate is to see other people in pain. If you let them get to you, that only encourages them. That's why they're here in the first place.

The point is that flaming them hurts you more than it hurts them.

What makes it worse--been here, seen this before, too--is that these trolls are insiders. Yes, they hurt, they're depressed, they are at least as far down as any of us. What that means is that they know all the right buttons to push to make us angry. They have no conscience that prevents them from pushing those buttons.

That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.

In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.

Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.

So.

They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that satisfaction.

They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all we have to do is to stop feeding them.

The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand that they are here to hurt us. They way that they hurt us is to beat on us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by ignoring them.

And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir. When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.

Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:

DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.

Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your own.



In a more practical manner, John Timothy brings it all down to five simple rules:

(1) Don't read posts from or about abusers;

(2) Don't read email from or about abusers;

(3) If you can't resist reading, don't respond;

(4) If you can't resist responding, do so by email--not by posting here;

(5) If you are compelled to post a response, if you just can't stop yourself, at least do the rest of us the favor of adding the abuser's name to the subject line, so we can avoid reading that post. Thanks.
by me again
"I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue."

Then again, perhaps they are filled with disgust at the liberals with no spine, the ones who defend our attackers, the ones who cry racism and turn right around and talk about Jews like they're niggers.

by .........
What is a Troll?


An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Why does it Matter?


Some people -- particularly those who have been online for years -- are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

What can be Done about Trolls?


When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

What Not to Do


As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.

Impersonation


One technique used by trolls to generate chaos is to pretend to be a well-liked person. On some systems there is nothing to prevent somebody from signing your name to a distasteful message. On other systems the troll may have to be a bit more wiley, perhaps by replacing one character with another. Here are some examples of various spoofing gimmicks that could be used against a person named Brenda Q. O'Really:

Brenda Q. O"Really
Brenda Q. 0'Really
Brenda Q O'Really

Brenda Q. O'Rea11y
Bredna Q. O'Really
8renda Q. O'Really

Note: "Brenda Q. O'Really" is a made-up name used to illustrate spoofing and is not intended to refer to a particular person.

If you react with anger, the troll wins. So if you see a message impersonating you on a message board, simply write a follow-up reply entitled "That Wasn't Me" and type only this:

I did not write that message -- it is a fake.

Of course, sometimes you will find that people who know you well have already identified the message as a fake and have tagged it as such. After all, one of the troll's goals is to make you look bad. If you have a good reputation, people will be tipped off if a message that you apparently wrote is completely out of character.

Trolls have been known to become so irritated at having their spoofs identified that they have learned to write in another person's style. They may end up writing an intelligent message that is indistinguishable from your own golden words. If that happens, you can always just let the post stand and take credit for it!

Trolls will also sometimes write a "That Wasn't Me" message after a genuine one, attempting to elicit a denial. There really is no reason to give him what he wants, since a "That Wasn't Me" warning merely reminds people to be skeptical. That is to say, it is of no real consequence if somebody isn't sure that you wrote a normal message, since in the long run it is the ideas that are important.

The Webmaster's Challenge


When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed -- more on this later.

The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate.

Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person?

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

What about Free Speech?


When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.

While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.

Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.

The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.

When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.

The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

Why Do They Do It?


Affirmation.

Regular net users know how delightful it is when somebody responds to something they have written. It is a meeting of the minds, which is an intellectual thrill, but it is also an acknowledgement of one's value -- and that can be a very satisfying emotional reward.

Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror in which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.

If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter.

Conclusion

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

The Internet is a splendidly haphazard collection of both serious and silly material. Because it is so free, there are bound to be problems. I think that we can best enjoy it if we deal with everything that happens online with a wry grin and a ready shrug.
by me
So, I looked through your own spam, your repetitive posting, but still didn't see where you acknowledge you're a bunch of racist Jew bashers. Jewophobes, if you will. The Left is the new plantation, the Jews the new niggers. All you have to do is look around this place for the proof. The South seems to have actually risen again, in KKKalifornia. Or maybe they're just Nazi's.
by me
I am a flying carrot with ESP. If you don't believe me you are a stupid liberal.
by ha
yeah thatll work
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