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9-11 Truth Rally, March, Art, Music, Film Festivals
The Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance announces winners of their "9-11 Truth for Peace and Justice Art Contest" and upcoming 9-11 Truth events- including a rally, march, and 9-11 Film Festivals in San Francisco and Oakland
The Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance sent $1000 in cash and additional prizes to winners and contestants in their “9-11 Truth for Peace and Justice” Art Contest; the art is helping them to organize a rally, march, and September 11th Truth events, including 9-11 Film Festivals in San Francisco and Oakland. The Grand Prize Winning Entry by an anonymous artist entitled- “The Great Deception 9-11-2001”- which depicts the twin towers, their faces reflecting Cheney, the whisper in Bush’s ear, Mohammed Atta, Bin Laden, the official 9-11 Report, a fuming Rumsfeld, the collapse of WTC Building Seven, Pakistan’s I.S.I. general who breakfasted with Porter Goss and Bob Graham at the time of the attack and was later identified as the man who had $100,000 wired to Atta. Included is a quote from the Project for a New American Century:
“The process of transformation is likely to be a long one,
absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Saturday, September 10th, at 10 am the Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance will hold the fourth annual “9-11 Truth” rally and march, from the Panhandle, (between Oak and Fell @ Ashbury) up Ashbury, down Haight, across Golden Gate Park (about 2 miles) to the 7th Annual 9-11 Power to the Peaceful Concert, featuring Michael Franti and Spearhead. The popular concert and social justice festival drew 50,000 people last year and is free to the public.
A 9-11 Film Festival & Benefit will be held Sunday, September 11th from 1 pm to 11 pm. at the Grand Lake Theater, 3200 Grand Ave., Oakland; Peter Phillips, Director of Project Censored will speak; 9-11 and the American Empire featuring David Ray Griffin will be shown, and Celsius 9-11, which highlights the International Citizens’ Inquiries into 9-11. The Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance will premiere the film version of their successful show- Behind Every Terrorist – There is a Bush. Following Mohamed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus, researcher Lois Battuello will share some of the latest revelations about Mohamed Atta. Proceeds will benefit the Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance and Project Censored. (Admission $9 to $6.)
In San Francisco, Sunday, September 11th, from 9 am to 11 pm on the second floor of the Veteran’s War Memorial Building, 401 Van Ness Avenue, “9-11 Truth for Peace and Justice- Films, Discussion, Dialogue and Reflection” will take place in multiple rooms. There will be music, a display of art from the Art Contest, and presentations, as well as discussions, dialogues, film screenings. The event is free to the public. Co-sponsored by Veteran’s for Peace- Chapter 69, American Legion Post 315, and endorsed by United for Peace- Bay Area, Marin Coalition for Peace and Justice, Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors.
Carol Brouillet, Ken Jenkins, co-founders of the Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance will speak on “9/11 & Social Change- Searching for the Heart of Activism through The 9/11 Truth Movement" Friday, August 26th, at 7 pm at the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship Hall, 1924 Cedar at Bonita, Berkeley. They have been at the forefront of the national 9-11 Truth Movement. Additional 9-11 Truth rallies, marches and events in September are scheduled for Colorado, New York, the UK, and Toronto.
For more information:
http://www.sf911truth.org
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I goofed on the uploads. Here is Chuck Bowden's First Place entry.
For more information:
http://www.communitycurrency.org/winners.html
I find it quite scary that you would believe that the government was some how involved in making 911 happen. Do you honestly believe that the terrorists in Iraq do not hate america and will stop at nothing to hurt Americans? 911 is a prime example of their hatred towards americans.
I'm publishing my email address, because unlike some people on here, I'm not a coward.
I'm publishing my email address, because unlike some people on here, I'm not a coward.
Do you really believe that those terrorists were in Iraq before the US invasion/aggression/occupation?
Without addressing the possibility that some in our govt. may have been directly/indirectly involved, it cannot be reasonably disbuted that powerful interests in this country benefitted from and have exploited 9-11 to pursue their agenda...
Without addressing the possibility that some in our govt. may have been directly/indirectly involved, it cannot be reasonably disbuted that powerful interests in this country benefitted from and have exploited 9-11 to pursue their agenda...
Well, without posting the myriad of 9-11 inside job websites, it may be easier to use some common sense and simple physics..
Look at the tapes and notice the vertical collapse of the WTC towers. This means that the bottom foundations of steel had simultaneously melted from less than the approx. 15 minutes of combusting jet fuel at the very top of the buildings. If the collapse was from the planes themselves, wouldn't it have caused the buildings to twist and shear from melting, not collapse vertically like a controlled demolition??
The social reprecussions of 9-11 are coincidentally in the favor of the ruling elites..
Police brutality against houseless New Yorkers and Haitian/African immigrants (Abner Louima) of NYC mayor Rudy G. and GW Bush's stolen Florida election were forgotten overnight as the corporate media turned America into a nation of victims with these two Republicrap goons somehow credited as heroes for their calm resolve. Such good actors..
The Saudi hijackers were likely stooges of the Saudi Royalty, and we already know the decades long history between the Bush family and the Bin Ladens. The CIA and Al-Queda, Taliban also have a long history of working together. Terrorism of 9-11 was the needed justification to invade Afganistan and Iraq. If Bush were honest and stated "We need to invade Iraq to control the remaining world oil supply so Cheney, me and my petroelum exec golf buddies can remain billionaires.", would the public have been so eager to invade Iraq and sacrifice so many young soldiers for oil profits??
Hey, where's our former weapon (Bin Laden) against the Soviets hiding? First in Afganistan, then somehow in Iraq. How quickly the corporate media forgot that Reagen called the (CIA trained) Taliban "freedom fighters" and gave them most of their weaponry to combat the "Evil Empire" Soviet Union from entering Afganistan..
Puppet dictators like Bin Laden and Saddam are a dime a dozen for the oil barons in DC..
Look at the tapes and notice the vertical collapse of the WTC towers. This means that the bottom foundations of steel had simultaneously melted from less than the approx. 15 minutes of combusting jet fuel at the very top of the buildings. If the collapse was from the planes themselves, wouldn't it have caused the buildings to twist and shear from melting, not collapse vertically like a controlled demolition??
The social reprecussions of 9-11 are coincidentally in the favor of the ruling elites..
Police brutality against houseless New Yorkers and Haitian/African immigrants (Abner Louima) of NYC mayor Rudy G. and GW Bush's stolen Florida election were forgotten overnight as the corporate media turned America into a nation of victims with these two Republicrap goons somehow credited as heroes for their calm resolve. Such good actors..
The Saudi hijackers were likely stooges of the Saudi Royalty, and we already know the decades long history between the Bush family and the Bin Ladens. The CIA and Al-Queda, Taliban also have a long history of working together. Terrorism of 9-11 was the needed justification to invade Afganistan and Iraq. If Bush were honest and stated "We need to invade Iraq to control the remaining world oil supply so Cheney, me and my petroelum exec golf buddies can remain billionaires.", would the public have been so eager to invade Iraq and sacrifice so many young soldiers for oil profits??
Hey, where's our former weapon (Bin Laden) against the Soviets hiding? First in Afganistan, then somehow in Iraq. How quickly the corporate media forgot that Reagen called the (CIA trained) Taliban "freedom fighters" and gave them most of their weaponry to combat the "Evil Empire" Soviet Union from entering Afganistan..
Puppet dictators like Bin Laden and Saddam are a dime a dozen for the oil barons in DC..
"Look at the tapes and notice the vertical collapse of the WTC towers. This means that the bottom foundations of steel had simultaneously melted from less than the approx. 15 minutes of combusting jet fuel at the very top of the buildings."
Actually, no it doesn't. The towers didn't sink into the ground; they collapsed floor-by-floor from the top. Unlike most buildings, the two towers were constructed with hard, load-bearing external frames -- that pinstripe look the buildings had was structural, not ornamental. So when the building collapsed, it -- mostly -- collapsed _within_ the shell, which isn't all that surprising, giving the vertical collapse of the sections underneath where the planes hit. On the other hand, the parts of the building above the strikes can clearly be seen to tilt and fall.
"If the collapse was from the planes themselves,"
... then the buildings wouldn't have stood so long afterward. In fact, structural analysis shows that, had it not been for the fires, the buildings would not have collapsed.
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Actually, no it doesn't. The towers didn't sink into the ground; they collapsed floor-by-floor from the top. Unlike most buildings, the two towers were constructed with hard, load-bearing external frames -- that pinstripe look the buildings had was structural, not ornamental. So when the building collapsed, it -- mostly -- collapsed _within_ the shell, which isn't all that surprising, giving the vertical collapse of the sections underneath where the planes hit. On the other hand, the parts of the building above the strikes can clearly be seen to tilt and fall.
"If the collapse was from the planes themselves,"
... then the buildings wouldn't have stood so long afterward. In fact, structural analysis shows that, had it not been for the fires, the buildings would not have collapsed.
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Every person who is for peace knows that 9/11/01 was an Inside Job. To support the government's lie is to be for war. 9/11/01 was a Reichstag Fire perpetrated for the same reason as the Nazis perpetrated the Reichstag Fire: To promote war and fascism so as to maximize the profits of the capitalist class.
As you watched the bombings by the planes, you realized that there was no air defense that could easily have stopped all of the bombings as we have an excellent air defense, especially over New York City and Washington, D.C. That means someone told our excellent air defense to stand down, which could only be the president, vice president or secretary of war. As we learned soon afterward, the air force had 4 war games taking place on 9/11/01, thus deliberately paralyzing our defense which could not distinguish the fake from the real. THIS FACT ALONE DESTROYS THE GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY AND YOU SAW IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES.
There were no hijackers on those planes; 9 of the so-called hijackers are alive and others died years before 9/11/01; the planes were on automatic pilot guided by the US Air Force, a bastion of reaction, with recent scandals involving illegally promoting religion, in particular Christianity, in the state run Air Force Academy, accompanied by open anti-Semitism, and involving harassment of female cadets.
This was the CIA's Operation Northwoods realized, a 1962 plan approved by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff to create an incident, such as blowing up a US airplane and blaming it on Cuba so as to have an excuse to invade Cuba.
You always ask who benefits, and only the capitalist class can possibly benefit from such a crime, for it is they who have the motive, means and opportunity to commit such an act. You know that George Bush, Senior was a member of the Carlyle Group, along with the bin Laden family, which investment outfit benefited from war profits. You also know that the current pres. Bush's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator, and this current president's politics would make Hitler proud.
The Twin Towers, and Building 7, which was not hit by any plane, were brought down by construction explosives. Larry Silverstein, the chief lessor, admitted in a TV interview, that Building 7 was brought down by construction explosives. All 3 buildings were brought down by constructions explosives in a few seconds, in their own footprint, broken down in sufficiently small pieces to be carted away on trucks immediately, thus illegally and deliberately removing evidence from this crime scene. The firefighters and surviving maintenance personnel have been interviewed describing bombs exploding in the building, and firefighters made it to the first floor that was hit by a plane, thus further disproving the obvious lie of a raging fire, which did not and could not exist with jet fuel. The black smoke of course means a dying fire, and there certainly was not sufficient fuel to destroy a steel frame building, built to withstand being hit by an airplane. The videos all clearly demonstrate controlled demolition. With some dogs brought to the site dying immediately, and the intense heat that was obvious at the base, it is believed there was some nuclear substance in some of those bombs that were part of the controlled demolition, perhaps depleted uranium.
The Pentagon was most likely hit by a US Air Force missile and the plane over Pennsylvania was shot down by the US Air Force.
The puddle jumping flight school in Florida was clearly a CIA setup, and certainly not able to train anyone to fly heavy fast-flying jets, and the admittedly false-named "hijackers" CIA agents, one of whom was filmed in an obvious staged setting going through Portland, Maine's airport because Boston's Logan Airport did not have cameras set up at the time. There were no Arab names on the passenger lists.
These are just some of the thousands of facts everyone should know if you just bothered checking Portland Indymedia's excellent feature on the 9/11 Inside Job at:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/topic/911investigation/
You would also know all of this and more if you listened to socialists Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone, as well as others who are not socialists, on Guns and Butter on KPFA, 94.1 FM, at 2 p.m. on Wednesdays. Recordings of their shows are available through Guns and Butter and they usually have a table at the peace demonstrations. They are excellent researchers with lots of good documentation.
You would also easily be able to state all of the above in seconds as I have done if you had done the reading of well-known books, some of which follow, and if you have not read them, you had better RUN to the library or bookstore, get them and READ THEM IMMEDIATELY:
Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions by David Ray Griffin
Painful Questions by Eric Hufschmid
Body of Secrets by James Bamford
9/11 Revealed: The Unanswered Questions by Rowland Morgan and Ian Henshall
The War on Truth by Nafeez Mosaddez Ahmed
As you watched the bombings by the planes, you realized that there was no air defense that could easily have stopped all of the bombings as we have an excellent air defense, especially over New York City and Washington, D.C. That means someone told our excellent air defense to stand down, which could only be the president, vice president or secretary of war. As we learned soon afterward, the air force had 4 war games taking place on 9/11/01, thus deliberately paralyzing our defense which could not distinguish the fake from the real. THIS FACT ALONE DESTROYS THE GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY AND YOU SAW IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES.
There were no hijackers on those planes; 9 of the so-called hijackers are alive and others died years before 9/11/01; the planes were on automatic pilot guided by the US Air Force, a bastion of reaction, with recent scandals involving illegally promoting religion, in particular Christianity, in the state run Air Force Academy, accompanied by open anti-Semitism, and involving harassment of female cadets.
This was the CIA's Operation Northwoods realized, a 1962 plan approved by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff to create an incident, such as blowing up a US airplane and blaming it on Cuba so as to have an excuse to invade Cuba.
You always ask who benefits, and only the capitalist class can possibly benefit from such a crime, for it is they who have the motive, means and opportunity to commit such an act. You know that George Bush, Senior was a member of the Carlyle Group, along with the bin Laden family, which investment outfit benefited from war profits. You also know that the current pres. Bush's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator, and this current president's politics would make Hitler proud.
The Twin Towers, and Building 7, which was not hit by any plane, were brought down by construction explosives. Larry Silverstein, the chief lessor, admitted in a TV interview, that Building 7 was brought down by construction explosives. All 3 buildings were brought down by constructions explosives in a few seconds, in their own footprint, broken down in sufficiently small pieces to be carted away on trucks immediately, thus illegally and deliberately removing evidence from this crime scene. The firefighters and surviving maintenance personnel have been interviewed describing bombs exploding in the building, and firefighters made it to the first floor that was hit by a plane, thus further disproving the obvious lie of a raging fire, which did not and could not exist with jet fuel. The black smoke of course means a dying fire, and there certainly was not sufficient fuel to destroy a steel frame building, built to withstand being hit by an airplane. The videos all clearly demonstrate controlled demolition. With some dogs brought to the site dying immediately, and the intense heat that was obvious at the base, it is believed there was some nuclear substance in some of those bombs that were part of the controlled demolition, perhaps depleted uranium.
The Pentagon was most likely hit by a US Air Force missile and the plane over Pennsylvania was shot down by the US Air Force.
The puddle jumping flight school in Florida was clearly a CIA setup, and certainly not able to train anyone to fly heavy fast-flying jets, and the admittedly false-named "hijackers" CIA agents, one of whom was filmed in an obvious staged setting going through Portland, Maine's airport because Boston's Logan Airport did not have cameras set up at the time. There were no Arab names on the passenger lists.
These are just some of the thousands of facts everyone should know if you just bothered checking Portland Indymedia's excellent feature on the 9/11 Inside Job at:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/topic/911investigation/
You would also know all of this and more if you listened to socialists Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone, as well as others who are not socialists, on Guns and Butter on KPFA, 94.1 FM, at 2 p.m. on Wednesdays. Recordings of their shows are available through Guns and Butter and they usually have a table at the peace demonstrations. They are excellent researchers with lots of good documentation.
You would also easily be able to state all of the above in seconds as I have done if you had done the reading of well-known books, some of which follow, and if you have not read them, you had better RUN to the library or bookstore, get them and READ THEM IMMEDIATELY:
Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin
The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions by David Ray Griffin
Painful Questions by Eric Hufschmid
Body of Secrets by James Bamford
9/11 Revealed: The Unanswered Questions by Rowland Morgan and Ian Henshall
The War on Truth by Nafeez Mosaddez Ahmed
For more information:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/topic/911...
"With some dogs brought to the site dying immediately, and the intense heat that was obvious at the base, it is believed there was some nuclear substance in some of those bombs that were part of the controlled demolition, perhaps depleted uranium."
Just when you think they can't get any wackier, now they tell us that the WTC was nuked.
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Just when you think they can't get any wackier, now they tell us that the WTC was nuked.
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Zionists loathe the 9-11 skeptic movement. The official 9-11 account, i.e. "Arabs did it!! Arabs did it!!" is enormously beneficial to their own cause. Even Netanyahu said so:
"It's very good. [Whoops! Shit!! Fuck!!! uh, I mean uh] not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."
"It's very good. [Whoops! Shit!! Fuck!!! uh, I mean uh] not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."
I'm anti-whack-job. The paragraph I was commenting on contains so many stark lies it was hard to pick just one bit of lunacy to fasten on.
How 'bout it, Toothless. Think the WTC was nuked? Or does it exist in your mind as only another excuse to vent your anger at Thuh Zionist Menace?
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How 'bout it, Toothless. Think the WTC was nuked? Or does it exist in your mind as only another excuse to vent your anger at Thuh Zionist Menace?
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"They" are not a single group. There are many groups offering explanations of what happened that day. They include the government itself, whose own whacky conspiracy theory ranks among the wackiest. Some of these explanations are intentional disinformation whose sole purpose is to discredit the 9/11 truth movement. This is a time tested propaganda technique called "muddying the waters."
To lump all these explanations and all these groups together is kindergarten logic. Expecting us to fall for kindergarten logic is typical of the Zionist propaganda mill because they apparently take us for children.
To lump all these explanations and all these groups together is kindergarten logic. Expecting us to fall for kindergarten logic is typical of the Zionist propaganda mill because they apparently take us for children.
"With some dogs brought to the site dying immediately, and the intense heat that was obvious at the base, it is believed there was some nuclear substance in some of those bombs that were part of the controlled demolition, perhaps depleted uranium."
Depleted uranium isnt that much more toxic than many other substances if its really depleated. Much of the talk in terms of US bombings using it revolves around its nonradiocactive toxicity and the unwillingness for the US to clean up after dropping the stuff based off evidence of cancer rates related to areas where the stuff was dropped.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm
I've noticed many sicentists completely ignoring these stories due to studies on DU but aside from perhaps needing studies of long term effects of the DU the military actually uses (that may have traces of more radioactive substances) there is the way DU is used to vaporize hard targets. It could very well be that cancer rates related to DU are a result of what DU does to targets more than what the uranium does directly (the amount of consistency of the dust that it can create when it cuts through a tank could be more toxic than with other bombs relating back to exactly why DU is used (since its heavier weight makes it cut through certain targets better).
In terms of the WTC I'm sure it was very toxic and the melted computers, printers and even pieces of the building built with standard building supplies couold easilly have been more toxic than any DU contaminated site after the buildings collapsed.
here are some examples as to why this is the case:
"Hydrogen cyanide, another asphyxiant, is released when nylon-containing products such as carpets are burned. This gas has an almondlike odor and is absorbed rapidly through the skin and respiratory tract. Unlike carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide causes tissue asphyxiation by inhibiting intracellular cytochrome oxidase activity. Cyanide blocks the final step in oxidative phosphorylation, preventing aerobic production of adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Lactic acidosis results from the anaerobic conversion of pyruvate to lactate as the body tries to generate ATP."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3689/is_200001/ai_n8901691
also see
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/llb/fires.htm#Hydrogen%20Cyanide
"The use of plastic foams as thermal insulating materials for building enclosures has increased rapidly in Canada in recent years. ..Smoke from plastic foams involved in fire presents a serious hazard for building occupants, particularly those in high-rise buildings. ...The toxicity of the combustion products from plastic foams involved in fire has become a subject of major concern in recent years."
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cbd/cbd178e.html
Table I. Main Harmful Products of Materials and General Harmful Effect*(*More details in CBD 144)
Material Harmful Product Harmful Effects
Wood and paper Carbon Monoxide(CO) Dangerous concentration
4000 ppm of air (30 min)
Polystyrene CO also styrene, but present in smaller quantities
Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) HCl
CO also corrosive Dangerous for even short exposure
1000-2000 ppm
Plexiglas or perspex CO also methylmethacrylate,
which is as toxic as CO but produced in smaller quantities
Polyethylene CO
Acrylic Fibres
Wool
Nylon Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN)
CO 120 - 150 ppm
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cbd/cbd197e.html
Depleted uranium isnt that much more toxic than many other substances if its really depleated. Much of the talk in terms of US bombings using it revolves around its nonradiocactive toxicity and the unwillingness for the US to clean up after dropping the stuff based off evidence of cancer rates related to areas where the stuff was dropped.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm
I've noticed many sicentists completely ignoring these stories due to studies on DU but aside from perhaps needing studies of long term effects of the DU the military actually uses (that may have traces of more radioactive substances) there is the way DU is used to vaporize hard targets. It could very well be that cancer rates related to DU are a result of what DU does to targets more than what the uranium does directly (the amount of consistency of the dust that it can create when it cuts through a tank could be more toxic than with other bombs relating back to exactly why DU is used (since its heavier weight makes it cut through certain targets better).
In terms of the WTC I'm sure it was very toxic and the melted computers, printers and even pieces of the building built with standard building supplies couold easilly have been more toxic than any DU contaminated site after the buildings collapsed.
here are some examples as to why this is the case:
"Hydrogen cyanide, another asphyxiant, is released when nylon-containing products such as carpets are burned. This gas has an almondlike odor and is absorbed rapidly through the skin and respiratory tract. Unlike carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide causes tissue asphyxiation by inhibiting intracellular cytochrome oxidase activity. Cyanide blocks the final step in oxidative phosphorylation, preventing aerobic production of adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Lactic acidosis results from the anaerobic conversion of pyruvate to lactate as the body tries to generate ATP."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3689/is_200001/ai_n8901691
also see
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/llb/fires.htm#Hydrogen%20Cyanide
"The use of plastic foams as thermal insulating materials for building enclosures has increased rapidly in Canada in recent years. ..Smoke from plastic foams involved in fire presents a serious hazard for building occupants, particularly those in high-rise buildings. ...The toxicity of the combustion products from plastic foams involved in fire has become a subject of major concern in recent years."
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cbd/cbd178e.html
Table I. Main Harmful Products of Materials and General Harmful Effect*(*More details in CBD 144)
Material Harmful Product Harmful Effects
Wood and paper Carbon Monoxide(CO) Dangerous concentration
4000 ppm of air (30 min)
Polystyrene CO also styrene, but present in smaller quantities
Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) HCl
CO also corrosive Dangerous for even short exposure
1000-2000 ppm
Plexiglas or perspex CO also methylmethacrylate,
which is as toxic as CO but produced in smaller quantities
Polyethylene CO
Acrylic Fibres
Wool
Nylon Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN)
CO 120 - 150 ppm
http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cbd/cbd197e.html
" To lump all these explanations and all these groups together is kindergarten logic. "
All the 9/11 conspiracy theorists I've meet deserve to be condmened and hsoudl be expected to be condemned for engaging in several things:
1. Many conspiracy theorists bring up inconsistencies in things that obviously happened, with a hint that perhaps the things didnt happen. They then act outraged when you actually argue that the thing did happen saying that they never argued that the events didnt happen.
examples of this revolve around:
-the plane hitting the pentagon
-the planes hitting the WTC
-cell phones having been used on the planes
2. Making vague arguments about the building not having been able to collapse, that bombs went off in the buildings etc.. without ever responding to the real evidence that suggests the standard story. Finding one "expert" who can say that the buildings couldnt have fallen doesnt mean much if you cant actually hear the evidence argued out; if you look around enough you can find experts saying tobacco doesnt cause cancer or anything else you want.
3. An assumption that the US government is a lot smarter than it actually is. Most conspiracy theories about the US government are based on the US governments own proaganda baout how great trhe FBI and CIA is with an almost superhuman view of workers at those agencies (which dont pay well and dont exactly get the smartest workers in the country) Beliving the US governments propaganda is a problem across the board with a common right-wing view being that you cant judge something like Iraq since it must be all part of a well thought out plan and we dont know enough to judge how things are going. If you view the US as a well run almost omnipotent organization rather than a corrupt mismanaged beurocracy its easy to ask why 9/11 could have been allowed to happen since it would seem impossible for it not to have been stopped (or at least having had the 2nd and 3rd planes stopped).
4. There is also willingness to cling onto other causes without real belief. Many Jewish workers really did die in the WTC so why are the conspiracy theories still floating around. The Bin Laden familly has been at war with Ossama for years and nevre talks to him yet the flights out of the country to protect Bush's freinds are put forward as being somehow part of a conspiracy (other than one of just kissing up to the Saudis). The DU thing fits in with this problem; if you care about DU you can suggest it was at the WTC but if you dont have evidence why bring in other issues if you want peopel to take you serious.
5. A lack of real conspiracy theorists to argue with. Every time anything is argued with strongly its suddenly unfare to argue since one shouldnt " lump all these explanations" together. You can never corner a conspiracy theorists into making an actual argument since the moment you get close suddenly the view you are arguing with isnt their view and its unfair to attack that view.
All the 9/11 conspiracy theorists I've meet deserve to be condmened and hsoudl be expected to be condemned for engaging in several things:
1. Many conspiracy theorists bring up inconsistencies in things that obviously happened, with a hint that perhaps the things didnt happen. They then act outraged when you actually argue that the thing did happen saying that they never argued that the events didnt happen.
examples of this revolve around:
-the plane hitting the pentagon
-the planes hitting the WTC
-cell phones having been used on the planes
2. Making vague arguments about the building not having been able to collapse, that bombs went off in the buildings etc.. without ever responding to the real evidence that suggests the standard story. Finding one "expert" who can say that the buildings couldnt have fallen doesnt mean much if you cant actually hear the evidence argued out; if you look around enough you can find experts saying tobacco doesnt cause cancer or anything else you want.
3. An assumption that the US government is a lot smarter than it actually is. Most conspiracy theories about the US government are based on the US governments own proaganda baout how great trhe FBI and CIA is with an almost superhuman view of workers at those agencies (which dont pay well and dont exactly get the smartest workers in the country) Beliving the US governments propaganda is a problem across the board with a common right-wing view being that you cant judge something like Iraq since it must be all part of a well thought out plan and we dont know enough to judge how things are going. If you view the US as a well run almost omnipotent organization rather than a corrupt mismanaged beurocracy its easy to ask why 9/11 could have been allowed to happen since it would seem impossible for it not to have been stopped (or at least having had the 2nd and 3rd planes stopped).
4. There is also willingness to cling onto other causes without real belief. Many Jewish workers really did die in the WTC so why are the conspiracy theories still floating around. The Bin Laden familly has been at war with Ossama for years and nevre talks to him yet the flights out of the country to protect Bush's freinds are put forward as being somehow part of a conspiracy (other than one of just kissing up to the Saudis). The DU thing fits in with this problem; if you care about DU you can suggest it was at the WTC but if you dont have evidence why bring in other issues if you want peopel to take you serious.
5. A lack of real conspiracy theorists to argue with. Every time anything is argued with strongly its suddenly unfare to argue since one shouldnt " lump all these explanations" together. You can never corner a conspiracy theorists into making an actual argument since the moment you get close suddenly the view you are arguing with isnt their view and its unfair to attack that view.
It would be so much easier if the world was like an action movie with clear "good guys" and "bad guys". It would make the world seem more organized and make life seem more secure if some person or group was pulling strings and there was a logical reason why historical events took place. If every bad thing that takes place were the result of Satan, a punishing God, NeoCons, the CIA, Bin Laden, or some other well defined entity the world might seem scary but there is hope that it can change; If people repent, kill Bin Laden, overthrow the Capitalists or burn the witches suddenly everything will be ok.
Unfortunately history doesnt read as a novel, there wont ever be an "end of history" a "war to end all wars" or a revolution followed by 1000 years of peace. Elijah is never going to come sit at the table. The Mahdi is never going to re-emerge to unite the world into a new order. The worldwide Anarchist/Communist revolution is never going to come. It's easy to blame a few crazies for wanting to see some order in the 9/11 attacks but the neoCon views of the US role in the world, the Marxist view of historical progress and the evangelical view of just needing to convert a few more people are all rooted in the same psychology.
Reality is both boring and cruel and wanting the world to read more like a novel or movie provides people some comfort that is it its own way rational. Religion and illogical sounding ideologies are easy to make fun of and condemn but if it helps people get through their lives to believe in such myths is it really that irrational. You can say that conspiracy theories about 9/11 are disrespectful of those who died in NYC but the truth is that people who had relatives who died are the ones who believe (and need to believe) in some reason for their loss. The most common belief that Al Qeda is a worldwide group organized under some evil James Bond super villan that will be brought down by good guy heros provides some people sollace but many people need more (especially when things havent exactly gone according to that script over the past few years with the reality of the lack of a well organized centralized Al Qaeda structure intruding into the comfort of the need for well structured global historical narative with a clear conclusion after which everyone can live hapilly ever after)
Unfortunately history doesnt read as a novel, there wont ever be an "end of history" a "war to end all wars" or a revolution followed by 1000 years of peace. Elijah is never going to come sit at the table. The Mahdi is never going to re-emerge to unite the world into a new order. The worldwide Anarchist/Communist revolution is never going to come. It's easy to blame a few crazies for wanting to see some order in the 9/11 attacks but the neoCon views of the US role in the world, the Marxist view of historical progress and the evangelical view of just needing to convert a few more people are all rooted in the same psychology.
Reality is both boring and cruel and wanting the world to read more like a novel or movie provides people some comfort that is it its own way rational. Religion and illogical sounding ideologies are easy to make fun of and condemn but if it helps people get through their lives to believe in such myths is it really that irrational. You can say that conspiracy theories about 9/11 are disrespectful of those who died in NYC but the truth is that people who had relatives who died are the ones who believe (and need to believe) in some reason for their loss. The most common belief that Al Qeda is a worldwide group organized under some evil James Bond super villan that will be brought down by good guy heros provides some people sollace but many people need more (especially when things havent exactly gone according to that script over the past few years with the reality of the lack of a well organized centralized Al Qaeda structure intruding into the comfort of the need for well structured global historical narative with a clear conclusion after which everyone can live hapilly ever after)
9/11 coudl perhaps be put forward as the start of a 3 part movie
1. 9/11 followed by the US invading Afghanistan and Bin Laden going into hiding
2. A corrupt lader takest he US into a war in Iraq under false pretences as Bin Laden rebuild his forces
In the third part you would expect/want a return of the villian from part 1 and either the overthrow of the corrupted leader or perhaps the corrupted leader takes over the role as super-villan (as in the 3rd part of Star Wars with perhaps some even moe evil person being seceretly behind both Bush and Bin Laden)
For Bush supporters I guess you could structure it so Bush is the rogue cop willing to defy the international community (with Kofi Annan as the police comissioner) and you dont really even need to fake Iraq/9/11 ties to make this work since there are many action movies where there are multiple villians and in multipart movies you can have some side story like Iraq without having to come up with any claims of al qaeda ties.
It wouldnt be too hard to come up witha good sounding narative with Bin Laden being the hero getting revenge for US imperialism, Saddam Hussein being some sort of figure in a tragedy or even having the conflict be the background setting for a more personal narative where none of the major figures play major roles and conflict is almost treated as the status quo or blamed on fate (WWI and Viet Nam have almost been written in that way).
1. 9/11 followed by the US invading Afghanistan and Bin Laden going into hiding
2. A corrupt lader takest he US into a war in Iraq under false pretences as Bin Laden rebuild his forces
In the third part you would expect/want a return of the villian from part 1 and either the overthrow of the corrupted leader or perhaps the corrupted leader takes over the role as super-villan (as in the 3rd part of Star Wars with perhaps some even moe evil person being seceretly behind both Bush and Bin Laden)
For Bush supporters I guess you could structure it so Bush is the rogue cop willing to defy the international community (with Kofi Annan as the police comissioner) and you dont really even need to fake Iraq/9/11 ties to make this work since there are many action movies where there are multiple villians and in multipart movies you can have some side story like Iraq without having to come up with any claims of al qaeda ties.
It wouldnt be too hard to come up witha good sounding narative with Bin Laden being the hero getting revenge for US imperialism, Saddam Hussein being some sort of figure in a tragedy or even having the conflict be the background setting for a more personal narative where none of the major figures play major roles and conflict is almost treated as the status quo or blamed on fate (WWI and Viet Nam have almost been written in that way).
Bush: "Y'All Pray ta Jesus So's we can Whack the Ayrabs and Steal their Oil fer Jesus. Y'All Pray ta Jesus That our Heroin Crops will prosper in the Belly of The Beast and this Heroin will ride forth from the Gates of Hell and receive Holy Purication on Wall St. and The Caymans. And May Jesus Bless this Purified Heroin So that it may Enrich our overseas Oil Ministries, who do The Lord's Work and Spread our Gospel of Jesus Christ Oil Baron Throughtout the Land of the Beast. Hallelujah and Comfort a Sinner I have seen the light."
Who are all these warmongers attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, the shining star of our peace movement?
Who among all these warmongers thinks it is perfectly normal to have no air defense?
Who among all these warmongers thinks the Twin Towers and Building 7 were not brought down by controlled demolition when not only Silverstein admitted bringing down Building 7 with controlled demolition but all the evidence, videos and eyewitness statements verify this fact?
Who among all these warmongers thinks a huge airplane somehow made the small hole, after performing an extraordinary turn, in the Pentagon, penetrating the heavily guarded air space above and around the Pentagon completely unchallenged, rather than a US Air Force missile?
Who among all these warmongers refutes the eyewitness accounts as to the fact that a US air force plane destroyed the plane flying over Pennsylvania?
Who among all these warmongers have read any of the required reading described above, which represent only part of the excellent investigative books on the subject?
As to authority, we may as well simply look at the first, and in my opinion, the best of the list of books, Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert, which is still available in most bookstores as it is filled with some 900 footnotes and is carefully constructed. Ruppert comes from an Air Force family and was a top notch legal-trained investigator for the Los Angeles Police Department for the short time he was there, as he soon discovered the the police were the primary drug pushers, at the behest of the US government, all to help finance US wars abroad, prevent serious political organizing in the ghettos and promote the prison-concentration camp industry. He quotes socialist sources favorably, condemns both the Democratic and Republican Parties for being the twin parties of capitalism that they are, and correctly views Israel as the junior partner of US imperialism. His motive, means and opportunity analysis is fundamental for all serious political people, and is a standard yardstick for analyzing who committed a crime, which is what 9/11/01 was, a murder scene.
Since this group of warmongers insists on attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, with no serious analysis whatsoever since all they have is the government's blatant lies, please get off this website. You are all government agents by definition.
Who among all these warmongers thinks it is perfectly normal to have no air defense?
Who among all these warmongers thinks the Twin Towers and Building 7 were not brought down by controlled demolition when not only Silverstein admitted bringing down Building 7 with controlled demolition but all the evidence, videos and eyewitness statements verify this fact?
Who among all these warmongers thinks a huge airplane somehow made the small hole, after performing an extraordinary turn, in the Pentagon, penetrating the heavily guarded air space above and around the Pentagon completely unchallenged, rather than a US Air Force missile?
Who among all these warmongers refutes the eyewitness accounts as to the fact that a US air force plane destroyed the plane flying over Pennsylvania?
Who among all these warmongers have read any of the required reading described above, which represent only part of the excellent investigative books on the subject?
As to authority, we may as well simply look at the first, and in my opinion, the best of the list of books, Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert, which is still available in most bookstores as it is filled with some 900 footnotes and is carefully constructed. Ruppert comes from an Air Force family and was a top notch legal-trained investigator for the Los Angeles Police Department for the short time he was there, as he soon discovered the the police were the primary drug pushers, at the behest of the US government, all to help finance US wars abroad, prevent serious political organizing in the ghettos and promote the prison-concentration camp industry. He quotes socialist sources favorably, condemns both the Democratic and Republican Parties for being the twin parties of capitalism that they are, and correctly views Israel as the junior partner of US imperialism. His motive, means and opportunity analysis is fundamental for all serious political people, and is a standard yardstick for analyzing who committed a crime, which is what 9/11/01 was, a murder scene.
Since this group of warmongers insists on attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, with no serious analysis whatsoever since all they have is the government's blatant lies, please get off this website. You are all government agents by definition.
For the warmonger who insist on spewing their fascist, warmongering drivel on this website, please also read David Ray Griffin's books referred to above and his statements in the following:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1762790.php
Should you insist on promoting the government's warmongering lies, please stay off this website as we do not care to read the lies of government agents. We get that garbage from the capitalist press; this website does not exist to regurgitate the lies of the capitalist class; this website exists to promote peace and a leading sector of our peace movement is the 9-11 Truth Movement!
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1762790.php
Should you insist on promoting the government's warmongering lies, please stay off this website as we do not care to read the lies of government agents. We get that garbage from the capitalist press; this website does not exist to regurgitate the lies of the capitalist class; this website exists to promote peace and a leading sector of our peace movement is the 9-11 Truth Movement!
For more information:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/176279...
s: "Who are all these warmongers attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, the shining star of our peace movement?"
Beg your pardon, but I've been against Bush's disastrous war in Iraq since before it began. And I'm greatly heartened when I read the poll data suggesting that the majority of Americans have come to see it the way I have all along -- a dreadful mistake based on Bush administration deceit. You will make the same mistake seven times in your post.
s: "Since this group of warmongers insists on attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, with no serious analysis whatsoever since all they have is the government's blatant lies, please get off this website. You are all government agents by definition."
That's exactly why I call the 9/11 whacks whacks. Disagree with them, and they call you a guvmint agent.
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Beg your pardon, but I've been against Bush's disastrous war in Iraq since before it began. And I'm greatly heartened when I read the poll data suggesting that the majority of Americans have come to see it the way I have all along -- a dreadful mistake based on Bush administration deceit. You will make the same mistake seven times in your post.
s: "Since this group of warmongers insists on attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement, with no serious analysis whatsoever since all they have is the government's blatant lies, please get off this website. You are all government agents by definition."
That's exactly why I call the 9/11 whacks whacks. Disagree with them, and they call you a guvmint agent.
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He's trying to get to to think about me again, instead of the topic. Typically, he's using yet more bunk logic to do it.
>When I lump 9/11 whackjobs into one group, nessie says it's bad.
The problem with this line of reasoning is that it fails to define "whackjobs," and so subsumes all dissident analysis, whatever its individual merit. This, by default, endorses the government's explanation.
Of all the explanations of what happened to the WTC, the government's ranks among the whackiest. The force of the explosion was enough to destroy four black boxes, but not that guy's passport!?! Gimme a break. If you believe that, I know where you can get a great deal on a bridge.
>When nessie lumps all Zionist into one group, that's good.
Indeed it is, for the group I lump them in is racists. All Zionists are racist by definition because the essence of Zionism is that Jews should be treated differently than non Jews. While the belief that Jews should be treated differently than non Jews was not the essence of Nazism, it certainly played an important role. Coincidence? Not. All Nazis are racist by definition because the essence of Nazism is that Aryans should be treated differently than non Aryans. All Nazis are racist for the same reason that all Zionists are racist. Both Zionists and Nazis believe that members of their own ethnic group should be treated differently than members of other ethnic groups. That is the very definition of racism. A racist is a racist is a racist. They're all alike. Only the name of the ethnic group varies. Their beliefs are exactly the same.
>He complains that I haven't put together five posts of his use of the "they're all alike" fallacy,
No, I did not. I merely pointed that, once again, this propagandist for racism is making a lame excuse. This is not a complaint. This is an observation. Lame excuses are common in Zionist rhetoric. The most common being words to the effect that in their particular case it is OK to be racist because, after all, Jews should be judged by different standards than non Jews.
>and then he commits the very same fallacy in the very same post.
I did no such thing. Typically, this Jewish version of Goebbles is lying through his teeth. Never once have I claimed I was going to put together a list of his logical fallacies, or his other lies, or his forgeries, or whatever. Why should I bother? He does it himself just fine. I merely point them out when they come up.
And it's not just him, it's all of them, Zionists, Nazis, Chetniks, Interahamwe, the whole bunch. They all lie. They have to. There is no honest defense of ethnic cleansing. A racist is a racist is a racist. Throw them all out, every last one, or stop calling yourselves Global Justice activists.
Now let's get back to the topic, which as you may recall, is neither me nor gehrig, but 9/11, the Reichstag Fire of our age.
Burden of Dreams the Left Gatekeepers
B07459 / Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:04:27 / "War on Terror"
“The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth.”
–Aldous Huxley (author of “Brave New World”)
“The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.” – George Orwell, on “Doublethink” from his book of faction, “1984”
Since my blog was mentioned in Stephen’s recent post on Jeff Berg’s article The Tube bombings: Cui Bono? , and since I’m too impatient to wait until said article appears in Site assets, I thought I’d say a few words and get it over with.
Berg’s piece is refreshing on a number of levels.
It doesn’t dismiss the possibility that London was a false flag simply ‘cause “the guv says so”; it acknowledges the existence of these operations (some of which are very well documented, such as The Lavon Affair and Gladio); it doesn’t use the term conspiracy theorist as an epithet, ridiculing the scores of people who give credence to these theories (and with good reason); it doesn’t resort to the kind of propaganda techniques witnessed in various other critiques by certain left and right gatekeepers (eg here ), which include:
Lies of Omission or “Blackouts”
The ignorance defense (“I haven’t actually looked at the evidence”)
Pseudo-intellectual posturing
Ridicule
Peddling disinformation
Confusing the Situation
Diverting Attention
Strawman arguments
“Bracketing” (hiding a plausible theory or fact within a string of absurdities)
Guilt by association
Sophistic appeals to “institutional analysis” and other ivory tower concepts
In other words, the very same technique used by the Sean Hannity’s of the world when it comes to the war in Iraq.
Why “conspiracy theories” have become such a bugaboo on the left I’m not exactly sure. Some have suggested it has something to do with funding; Amy Goodman for instance receives cash from the Ford Foundation, at least that’s what I’m told. A few of the more hysterical types have gone so far as to say these people are “controlled” (Alex Jones has remarked that “Chomsky is a shill for the New World Order”).
Unfortunately, so long as progressives continue to ignore the elephant in the living room, or worse, attempt to convince people that the elephant simply isn’t there (even as it goes on shitting on their rug) they will continue to be subjected to these attacks—pun intended. They will be left behind.
As the gate-keepers continue to ignore, downplay and ridicule the crucial role of black ops in the intelligence world they will continue to be outmaneuvered, outfoxed and eventually outsourced by the regular men and women who have studied the evidence for themselves and who aren’t afraid of sullying their image in the eyes of “respectable” society.
That is after all the target audience of Chomsky and co., is it not? The people, not their rulers?
In many ways the Chomskys and Goodmans deserve the slander: whatever their reasons – reputation, ego, strategic aims (conspiracies are a “distraction”), large quantities of ink devoted to “blowback” theories or even honest-to-goodness ignorance, there is no excuse for attempting to marginalize skeptics and bury the truth.
And make no mistake; left denial on “conspiracies” is not merely a question of agnosticism. As Jack Straw wrote in his article “Left denial on 9/11 turns irrational”:
“Ever since the events of 9/11, the American Left and even ultra-Left have been downright fanatical in combating notions that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks or at least had foreknowledge of the events.”
Cockburn has referred to “9/11 nuts”, Chomsky to “crazed theories about the CIA”, and Churchill, well, let’s take a look: “But, the problem with the idea that it was an inside job is that it suggests that brown people are not capable of such feats and gives all the credit to the white man, another master race fantasy”.
I won’t bother commenting on this, except to say that no man, whether Bin Laden or Larry Silverstein, could have brought down WTC7 without the use of (a) explosives or (b) an as-yet-unproven sixth sense, such as telekinesis.
Michael Albert of Znet quips “None of the above [9/11 theories] strike us as remotely interesting much less plausible.” As readers of Operation Northwoods are all too aware, Albert is only showcasing his own ignorance.
<snip>
*********************************************
The author goes on to suggest the London bombings
may be an inside job. But as this article was written only 8 days after the event, much of the information was not available. This is even more reason to go and assess what "Taking Aim" has uncovered! Taking Aim is a production of Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone and can be heard on WBAI or at http://www.takingaim.info.
Please accept this invitation to hear Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone of Pacifica Radio's "Taking Aim" present: The London Bombings – Footprints of State Terror at the Women's Building 3543 18th Street, SF, CA , Wednesday evening August 31st from 7-10PM. A $10 donation is requested but no one will be turned away for lack of funds. So you must attend! The event is a fundraiser presented by Friends of Taking Aim. Make sure to invite your friends and colleagues! See you on the 31st.
http://www.takingaim.info
B07459 / Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:04:27 / "War on Terror"
“The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth.”
–Aldous Huxley (author of “Brave New World”)
“The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.” – George Orwell, on “Doublethink” from his book of faction, “1984”
Since my blog was mentioned in Stephen’s recent post on Jeff Berg’s article The Tube bombings: Cui Bono? , and since I’m too impatient to wait until said article appears in Site assets, I thought I’d say a few words and get it over with.
Berg’s piece is refreshing on a number of levels.
It doesn’t dismiss the possibility that London was a false flag simply ‘cause “the guv says so”; it acknowledges the existence of these operations (some of which are very well documented, such as The Lavon Affair and Gladio); it doesn’t use the term conspiracy theorist as an epithet, ridiculing the scores of people who give credence to these theories (and with good reason); it doesn’t resort to the kind of propaganda techniques witnessed in various other critiques by certain left and right gatekeepers (eg here ), which include:
Lies of Omission or “Blackouts”
The ignorance defense (“I haven’t actually looked at the evidence”)
Pseudo-intellectual posturing
Ridicule
Peddling disinformation
Confusing the Situation
Diverting Attention
Strawman arguments
“Bracketing” (hiding a plausible theory or fact within a string of absurdities)
Guilt by association
Sophistic appeals to “institutional analysis” and other ivory tower concepts
In other words, the very same technique used by the Sean Hannity’s of the world when it comes to the war in Iraq.
Why “conspiracy theories” have become such a bugaboo on the left I’m not exactly sure. Some have suggested it has something to do with funding; Amy Goodman for instance receives cash from the Ford Foundation, at least that’s what I’m told. A few of the more hysterical types have gone so far as to say these people are “controlled” (Alex Jones has remarked that “Chomsky is a shill for the New World Order”).
Unfortunately, so long as progressives continue to ignore the elephant in the living room, or worse, attempt to convince people that the elephant simply isn’t there (even as it goes on shitting on their rug) they will continue to be subjected to these attacks—pun intended. They will be left behind.
As the gate-keepers continue to ignore, downplay and ridicule the crucial role of black ops in the intelligence world they will continue to be outmaneuvered, outfoxed and eventually outsourced by the regular men and women who have studied the evidence for themselves and who aren’t afraid of sullying their image in the eyes of “respectable” society.
That is after all the target audience of Chomsky and co., is it not? The people, not their rulers?
In many ways the Chomskys and Goodmans deserve the slander: whatever their reasons – reputation, ego, strategic aims (conspiracies are a “distraction”), large quantities of ink devoted to “blowback” theories or even honest-to-goodness ignorance, there is no excuse for attempting to marginalize skeptics and bury the truth.
And make no mistake; left denial on “conspiracies” is not merely a question of agnosticism. As Jack Straw wrote in his article “Left denial on 9/11 turns irrational”:
“Ever since the events of 9/11, the American Left and even ultra-Left have been downright fanatical in combating notions that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks or at least had foreknowledge of the events.”
Cockburn has referred to “9/11 nuts”, Chomsky to “crazed theories about the CIA”, and Churchill, well, let’s take a look: “But, the problem with the idea that it was an inside job is that it suggests that brown people are not capable of such feats and gives all the credit to the white man, another master race fantasy”.
I won’t bother commenting on this, except to say that no man, whether Bin Laden or Larry Silverstein, could have brought down WTC7 without the use of (a) explosives or (b) an as-yet-unproven sixth sense, such as telekinesis.
Michael Albert of Znet quips “None of the above [9/11 theories] strike us as remotely interesting much less plausible.” As readers of Operation Northwoods are all too aware, Albert is only showcasing his own ignorance.
<snip>
*********************************************
The author goes on to suggest the London bombings
may be an inside job. But as this article was written only 8 days after the event, much of the information was not available. This is even more reason to go and assess what "Taking Aim" has uncovered! Taking Aim is a production of Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone and can be heard on WBAI or at http://www.takingaim.info.
Please accept this invitation to hear Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone of Pacifica Radio's "Taking Aim" present: The London Bombings – Footprints of State Terror at the Women's Building 3543 18th Street, SF, CA , Wednesday evening August 31st from 7-10PM. A $10 donation is requested but no one will be turned away for lack of funds. So you must attend! The event is a fundraiser presented by Friends of Taking Aim. Make sure to invite your friends and colleagues! See you on the 31st.
http://www.takingaim.info
Gehrig's comment is easily explained. Zionists loathe the 9-11 skeptic movement. The official 9-11 account, i.e. "Arabs did it!! Arabs did it!!" is enormously beneficial to their own cause.
Wow, gehrig, your outbursts are becoming borderline apoplectic! Are your screws all falling loose or what?
Within hours of 9-11, the media began spinning the news that "Al Qa'eda did it, folks. That's definite! Yupper." This version built rapidly into a rigid dogma. No mainstream party, neither this government nor its painted media whores, has EVER so much as acknowledged far less investigated the possibility that some party other than or in addition to "Arab maniacs" was involved in 9-11. For two years afterward, the Bush bullshit machine abetted by the media spin factory locked down a very tight grip on public perception. On 'national security' grounds, they have never submitted their "proof" of Al Qa'eda's guilt for public review -- the only purported proof I've ever heard of. They SAID they'd produce a white paper on this, but they never have. 'National Security,' by the way, is Pentagonese for "boy, we can't let The People find out what total fucking assholes we are. We'd all get dragged out in the street and disemboweled!"
There is absolutely no reason -- NONE -- to trust these people.
Oh but then we had the 9-11 Commission, right? They gave us the real goods, didn't they? If you really believe that, it doesn't necessarily mean you fry your brain by smoking powdered lead every day, but you might as well.
Like the Warren Commission, the Watergate investigation, the investigations into the Pearl Harbor intel failure, and many others, the 9-11 Commish investigation was entirely contained within the narrow frame of the official story. They did not start over with a criminological clean slate saying "hmm, what really happened? Let's look at ALL the possibilities." They took the Bush version as gospel. The panel was stacked, by the way, with oil industry insiders. Henry "spookmaster" Kissinger would have been appointed to lead it if he hadn't recused himself! What does that tell you? Shit let's put E. Howard Hunt on the panel too. Even within this narrow frame, the 9-11 Commission narrowed its scope even further to "how did our intelligence agencies fail to uncover Al Qa'eda's plot." This is called "a charade."
Other than the piecemeal work done by independent researchers, there has NEVER been a serious and open criminological effort to investigate of 9-11.
Would covert elements of this government, or even mercenary agents in the private employ of billionaires, pull an op like this to freak us out of our minds so we'd get behind an epic new era of global expansion? Well, They lied through their teeth to get us into Iraq, didn't they? And they GOT AWAY WITH IT! Half the dumbasses in this country still don't understand that's what happened. All they get in their local media market is big network news, shitty local papers, etc. This media propaganda machine has just lain on its back helping Bush every step of the way.
How people can take all this in and be appropriately outraged by it and yet adamently defend the official 9-11 account is, well, mind-boggling!
"Oh, no, this government wouldn't brazenly twist reality to its own purposes and then LIE after the fact!! They know they could never get away with such a massive fraud. Even if they were crazy enough to try it, Sherrif Woody would save the day!"
Oh? How about the Iraq invasion, you complacent idiots? Not only can they get away with a fraud on this scale, THEY DID! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!! When a country is this stupid at the bottom and this corrupt at the top with steady gradations between, what's to stop them from doing anything?
They've done this stuff before!! Multiple times!!! Virtually every major war this country's fought, starting with the War to steal northern Mexico (now the "American Southwest"), was launched via some sort of sleazy pretext operation. The Spanish-American War, the Vietnam War, and virtually every conflict initiated by Reagan and Bush Senior are particularly good examples.
This country is an IMPERIAL MENACE! It has almost never had a real reason for going to war, i.e. launching epic expansions, so it has to invent them. Once you start looking at this stuff geostrategically, it all becomes very simple and straightforward and all the 'noble cause' shit just falls completely apart. What's most challenging to decipher is how this government succeeds in getting us to not have a clue about any of it. Chomsky, for one, is extremely good at taking this apart, but even he doesn't pay enough attention to the complicity of the people in their own deception.
I believe thoughtful people fall in line with the official 9-11 account not because it's logically inevitable, but because the possibility of this government's complicity is just too horrible to contemplate. If they understood the ruling order was this evil, they'd know they've pissed their lives away by investing themselves in its basic predicates. They'd know having kids was a criminally irresponsible life decision. They just aren't strong enough to so much as entertain a possibility this horrid.
The day 9-11 went down -- actually the second I heard about it -- the possibility of the Bush Reich's involvement dawned on me immediately. I went to a friend's house to watch the TV coverage, and she had already leapt to the 'foreign terrorists' assumption. When I said to her "maybe they [the Bushies] did it themselves," her face fell. She literally turned white and said in a near-whisper "don't say that. Oh God, don't say that!" At that moment, she could see it too, even though she very badly didn't want to. Very quickly though, scar tissue formed over this thought. This is a person who has an exceptionally good sense of how vile the global empire set is, but even she couldn't handle such an enormous illusion-shattering premise. Within her value system she had too much to lose by believing it, and that's most people.
And then of course you have disinformation artists like gehrig with their obvious ulterior motives.
Having said all that, I am very disappointed by 9-11 "skeptics" who buy into things like the 'controlled demolition' theory. Or worse. The webfairy, for one, is an incredible twit, quite possibly a plant to make serious investigators look like idiots. Chemtrails stinks of this sort of thing REAL bad! Like every other movement that gets any traction, 9-11 Truth has collected its share of dullards and posturing jackasses. It can not be said with certainty that the planes could not have knocked the buildings down. These buildings pushed the building technology of their time to its limits, using a unique structural system. The incident itself was without precedent. The only similar incident I've heard about was a B-25 (MUCH smaller) flying through heavy fog into the Empire State Building during WWII. This is VERY different.
I have a nuanced understanding of physics and structural engineering. Events occuring on this scale and involving such huge energies simply do not follow common sense based on mundane experience. Relative to the average shmo's understanding of relevant theory, you might as well be talking astrophysics.
About the only conclusive way to test the 'planes couldn't do that' hypothesis would be to build multiple copies of the World Trade Towers, let them age for 25 years, then fly 757s into them in exactly the same way. A mege-mega-computer model of the incident would be second best and not as good. For several reasons, the opinions of "experts" aren't as good either. For every scientist who coughs up the government's/media's preferred opinion on the matter, is there another one who dissents? Five more? Shit, we'd never know.
The most annoying thing about crap like the 'planes didn't do it' though is that YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THERE. There's lots of very solid stuff that blasts huge gaping holes through the official account. For instance the fact that several of the alleged 9-11 hijackers are STILL ALIVE!! I'd say this is a pretty damn good alibi.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,601550,00.html
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
This is just one of the many such holes the 9-11 "Blue Ribbon" bullshit team refused to even acknowledge. To my knowledge, this subject has never been addressed. All by itself, this blows the official account to hell. If these weren't the people on those planes, who was? Was anybody? The following is a super-hightech completely programmable REMOTE flight control system.
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS
If we can find out about this thing by looking at a friggin WEB PAGE, what's the top secret stuff like? Former DoD comptroller Dov Zakheim is a corporate officer in this company. He's also one of the neocons that authored the Project for a New American Century's infamous policy piece "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the so-called 'blueprint' for Bush's present push to consolidate a true global empire. It was published a year before 9-11. Zakheim is actually featured in the following mainstream report on the PNAC agenda:
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/bookman/bookman.htm
Wow, gehrig, your outbursts are becoming borderline apoplectic! Are your screws all falling loose or what?
Within hours of 9-11, the media began spinning the news that "Al Qa'eda did it, folks. That's definite! Yupper." This version built rapidly into a rigid dogma. No mainstream party, neither this government nor its painted media whores, has EVER so much as acknowledged far less investigated the possibility that some party other than or in addition to "Arab maniacs" was involved in 9-11. For two years afterward, the Bush bullshit machine abetted by the media spin factory locked down a very tight grip on public perception. On 'national security' grounds, they have never submitted their "proof" of Al Qa'eda's guilt for public review -- the only purported proof I've ever heard of. They SAID they'd produce a white paper on this, but they never have. 'National Security,' by the way, is Pentagonese for "boy, we can't let The People find out what total fucking assholes we are. We'd all get dragged out in the street and disemboweled!"
There is absolutely no reason -- NONE -- to trust these people.
Oh but then we had the 9-11 Commission, right? They gave us the real goods, didn't they? If you really believe that, it doesn't necessarily mean you fry your brain by smoking powdered lead every day, but you might as well.
Like the Warren Commission, the Watergate investigation, the investigations into the Pearl Harbor intel failure, and many others, the 9-11 Commish investigation was entirely contained within the narrow frame of the official story. They did not start over with a criminological clean slate saying "hmm, what really happened? Let's look at ALL the possibilities." They took the Bush version as gospel. The panel was stacked, by the way, with oil industry insiders. Henry "spookmaster" Kissinger would have been appointed to lead it if he hadn't recused himself! What does that tell you? Shit let's put E. Howard Hunt on the panel too. Even within this narrow frame, the 9-11 Commission narrowed its scope even further to "how did our intelligence agencies fail to uncover Al Qa'eda's plot." This is called "a charade."
Other than the piecemeal work done by independent researchers, there has NEVER been a serious and open criminological effort to investigate of 9-11.
Would covert elements of this government, or even mercenary agents in the private employ of billionaires, pull an op like this to freak us out of our minds so we'd get behind an epic new era of global expansion? Well, They lied through their teeth to get us into Iraq, didn't they? And they GOT AWAY WITH IT! Half the dumbasses in this country still don't understand that's what happened. All they get in their local media market is big network news, shitty local papers, etc. This media propaganda machine has just lain on its back helping Bush every step of the way.
How people can take all this in and be appropriately outraged by it and yet adamently defend the official 9-11 account is, well, mind-boggling!
"Oh, no, this government wouldn't brazenly twist reality to its own purposes and then LIE after the fact!! They know they could never get away with such a massive fraud. Even if they were crazy enough to try it, Sherrif Woody would save the day!"
Oh? How about the Iraq invasion, you complacent idiots? Not only can they get away with a fraud on this scale, THEY DID! AND YOU KNOW IT!!!! When a country is this stupid at the bottom and this corrupt at the top with steady gradations between, what's to stop them from doing anything?
They've done this stuff before!! Multiple times!!! Virtually every major war this country's fought, starting with the War to steal northern Mexico (now the "American Southwest"), was launched via some sort of sleazy pretext operation. The Spanish-American War, the Vietnam War, and virtually every conflict initiated by Reagan and Bush Senior are particularly good examples.
This country is an IMPERIAL MENACE! It has almost never had a real reason for going to war, i.e. launching epic expansions, so it has to invent them. Once you start looking at this stuff geostrategically, it all becomes very simple and straightforward and all the 'noble cause' shit just falls completely apart. What's most challenging to decipher is how this government succeeds in getting us to not have a clue about any of it. Chomsky, for one, is extremely good at taking this apart, but even he doesn't pay enough attention to the complicity of the people in their own deception.
I believe thoughtful people fall in line with the official 9-11 account not because it's logically inevitable, but because the possibility of this government's complicity is just too horrible to contemplate. If they understood the ruling order was this evil, they'd know they've pissed their lives away by investing themselves in its basic predicates. They'd know having kids was a criminally irresponsible life decision. They just aren't strong enough to so much as entertain a possibility this horrid.
The day 9-11 went down -- actually the second I heard about it -- the possibility of the Bush Reich's involvement dawned on me immediately. I went to a friend's house to watch the TV coverage, and she had already leapt to the 'foreign terrorists' assumption. When I said to her "maybe they [the Bushies] did it themselves," her face fell. She literally turned white and said in a near-whisper "don't say that. Oh God, don't say that!" At that moment, she could see it too, even though she very badly didn't want to. Very quickly though, scar tissue formed over this thought. This is a person who has an exceptionally good sense of how vile the global empire set is, but even she couldn't handle such an enormous illusion-shattering premise. Within her value system she had too much to lose by believing it, and that's most people.
And then of course you have disinformation artists like gehrig with their obvious ulterior motives.
Having said all that, I am very disappointed by 9-11 "skeptics" who buy into things like the 'controlled demolition' theory. Or worse. The webfairy, for one, is an incredible twit, quite possibly a plant to make serious investigators look like idiots. Chemtrails stinks of this sort of thing REAL bad! Like every other movement that gets any traction, 9-11 Truth has collected its share of dullards and posturing jackasses. It can not be said with certainty that the planes could not have knocked the buildings down. These buildings pushed the building technology of their time to its limits, using a unique structural system. The incident itself was without precedent. The only similar incident I've heard about was a B-25 (MUCH smaller) flying through heavy fog into the Empire State Building during WWII. This is VERY different.
I have a nuanced understanding of physics and structural engineering. Events occuring on this scale and involving such huge energies simply do not follow common sense based on mundane experience. Relative to the average shmo's understanding of relevant theory, you might as well be talking astrophysics.
About the only conclusive way to test the 'planes couldn't do that' hypothesis would be to build multiple copies of the World Trade Towers, let them age for 25 years, then fly 757s into them in exactly the same way. A mege-mega-computer model of the incident would be second best and not as good. For several reasons, the opinions of "experts" aren't as good either. For every scientist who coughs up the government's/media's preferred opinion on the matter, is there another one who dissents? Five more? Shit, we'd never know.
The most annoying thing about crap like the 'planes didn't do it' though is that YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THERE. There's lots of very solid stuff that blasts huge gaping holes through the official account. For instance the fact that several of the alleged 9-11 hijackers are STILL ALIVE!! I'd say this is a pretty damn good alibi.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,601550,00.html
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
This is just one of the many such holes the 9-11 "Blue Ribbon" bullshit team refused to even acknowledge. To my knowledge, this subject has never been addressed. All by itself, this blows the official account to hell. If these weren't the people on those planes, who was? Was anybody? The following is a super-hightech completely programmable REMOTE flight control system.
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS
If we can find out about this thing by looking at a friggin WEB PAGE, what's the top secret stuff like? Former DoD comptroller Dov Zakheim is a corporate officer in this company. He's also one of the neocons that authored the Project for a New American Century's infamous policy piece "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the so-called 'blueprint' for Bush's present push to consolidate a true global empire. It was published a year before 9-11. Zakheim is actually featured in the following mainstream report on the PNAC agenda:
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/bookman/bookman.htm
Excellent analysis.
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Not an aussie, just one more person ashamed to be an American, (thanks to Bush and his ilk).
I am mortified by him and all of his followers
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