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Nov. 2 Solidarity in Arcata and Eureka
CHP shut down highway 101 to assault and arrest Critical Mass bicycle riders travelling from Arcata to Eureka (7miles).
A rally was held on Nov.2 in Eureka California in solidarity with other rallies nationwide in opposition to theh Bush regime. Critical Mass bicycle riders left Arcata to ride to Eureka on the highway (7miles) and found the California Highway Patrol waiting for them.
The CHP stopped all traffic on the highway (critical mass left one lane open on the 2 lane in each direction divided highway) and attacked bicyclists, injuring several. a police helicopter circled overhead the duration of the time.
The CHP stopped all traffic on the highway (critical mass left one lane open on the 2 lane in each direction divided highway) and attacked bicyclists, injuring several. a police helicopter circled overhead the duration of the time.
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Press Release: Nov. 3, 05'
For immediate release
Taking Our Country Back!
Yesterday a peaceful rally against the brutal violence's of this war and those lies which have given such force to terrorism in the world, had begun at the Eureka Federal Building at I and 5th. Some 40 cyclists were making their way down 101 north of the city on their way to join when accosted by Humboldt Sheriffs, CHP and Eureka PD driving up alongside, helicopters overhead, police cruisers suddenly swerving to almost entirely block off the southbound lanes and stopping freeway traffic. The cyclists moving rapidly forward crashed, one woman cyclist grabbed by an officer and flung to the road, landing on her head, blacking out momentarily, one cyclist directly behind driving over her downed bike and thrown to the pavement and injured. All of them somehow regrouped and found their way around the cruisers, reaching the bridge area north of town only to be met by Sheriffs with tear gas canisters, another roadblock and other cruisers driving dangerously amongst them,chasing and herding them into the Target parking lot south of the bridge. Helicopters swooped down close. The same young woman was again thrown off her bike by a sheriff and she arrested with four others. The rest rode on to join the rally downtown.
Police state over- reaction with lethal force, has become the norm for responses not just for peaceful protests of outright inhumane injustices, but a fixed mindset of those who control and will not tolerate dispute of their power and control. We stand on the verge of no longer being willing to submit! The World Can't Wait is no simple theme, but a driving force of our refusal to obey wretched policies and acts which violate too much of what we hold sacred and worth living for. We must begin tooling up as never before in preparing for a tough and lengthily nonviolent struggle....because it is this brutally violent regime which perpetuates the terrorism we no longer dare tolerate!
How would you write up such a Press Release? Where does one start agitating? Do you feel the above statement too harsh or too overstated?
This comes from being close enough for getting "on the spot testimony" and making time to get it out! How do we get to the next level of activism, if it isn't in every little way we see possible in an already loaded work day? Maybe we ought to schedule in waves of events made up of those who have the time on particular day.....toward keeping this movement alive and churning enough to educate public attention to this military state we live in ? How will we do this? to say, how will we do it?
For immediate release
Taking Our Country Back!
Yesterday a peaceful rally against the brutal violence's of this war and those lies which have given such force to terrorism in the world, had begun at the Eureka Federal Building at I and 5th. Some 40 cyclists were making their way down 101 north of the city on their way to join when accosted by Humboldt Sheriffs, CHP and Eureka PD driving up alongside, helicopters overhead, police cruisers suddenly swerving to almost entirely block off the southbound lanes and stopping freeway traffic. The cyclists moving rapidly forward crashed, one woman cyclist grabbed by an officer and flung to the road, landing on her head, blacking out momentarily, one cyclist directly behind driving over her downed bike and thrown to the pavement and injured. All of them somehow regrouped and found their way around the cruisers, reaching the bridge area north of town only to be met by Sheriffs with tear gas canisters, another roadblock and other cruisers driving dangerously amongst them,chasing and herding them into the Target parking lot south of the bridge. Helicopters swooped down close. The same young woman was again thrown off her bike by a sheriff and she arrested with four others. The rest rode on to join the rally downtown.
Police state over- reaction with lethal force, has become the norm for responses not just for peaceful protests of outright inhumane injustices, but a fixed mindset of those who control and will not tolerate dispute of their power and control. We stand on the verge of no longer being willing to submit! The World Can't Wait is no simple theme, but a driving force of our refusal to obey wretched policies and acts which violate too much of what we hold sacred and worth living for. We must begin tooling up as never before in preparing for a tough and lengthily nonviolent struggle....because it is this brutally violent regime which perpetuates the terrorism we no longer dare tolerate!
How would you write up such a Press Release? Where does one start agitating? Do you feel the above statement too harsh or too overstated?
This comes from being close enough for getting "on the spot testimony" and making time to get it out! How do we get to the next level of activism, if it isn't in every little way we see possible in an already loaded work day? Maybe we ought to schedule in waves of events made up of those who have the time on particular day.....toward keeping this movement alive and churning enough to educate public attention to this military state we live in ? How will we do this? to say, how will we do it?
correction to above account:
during the first attack by CHP on bicyclists, the young woman riding did not "crash," she was knocked off of her bike into another bicyclist by a CHP overseer who lunged at her, striking her with his shoulder and arm.
I witnessed this first-hand, having been riding behind but near to the woman.
during the first attack by CHP on bicyclists, the young woman riding did not "crash," she was knocked off of her bike into another bicyclist by a CHP overseer who lunged at her, striking her with his shoulder and arm.
I witnessed this first-hand, having been riding behind but near to the woman.
Why coulnd't you have ridden the old hiway that goes between Arcata and Eureka. Oh I get it you want to make statement and gain support. So you tie up the hiway and piss off any one who might have sympathized with you. You got exactly what you asked for and deserved.
You obviously aren't familiar with Old ARcata Road, or else you would've known that it would be WAY MORE DANGEROUS to ride that way!!! Critical Mass DID NOT block traffic, the CHP did!!!! And why? So they could attack women on bicycles without doing it in front of everybody!
Fuck you, "curious." You aren't really "curious" at all - just STUPID!!!
Fuck you, "curious." You aren't really "curious" at all - just STUPID!!!
I would like to hear more about your first-hand account of the Critical Mass ride, bike accident and arrests for a news story, ASAP. Call the Journal. 826-2000. Thanks, Helen
I was a fellow rider among the critical mass on Wed. and was disturbed by what I saw. Yes, you are correct Mr. Stuck-Up in Traffic, we were asking for punishment, but it was blown way out of proportion. The CHP, EPD, and the Sheriff's department escalated the situation to a very dangerous and confrontational level. We are fucking PEACE activists and all of would agree that there are numerous other ways the police officers could have handled the situation which would have been more professional and safe for themselves, other drivers on the road, and of coarse the bicyclists. THEY were the ones who shut down both lanes (at which point we completely vacated the road and tried to wave traffic on with no prevail). You honestly believe that these women who were speaking their minds- ( ironically on the day of the funeral of one woman who wasn’t scared to speak her mind and helped change the world)- needed to be tackled and assaulted by police officers because you were stuck in fucking traffic? Grow-up and BE HUMAN!!! I’ll quote a popular bumper-sticker: “Well-behaved women rarely make history”. More power to the women! And to the cops who committed these crimes, you are supposed to be protectors of the peace and the people, not confrontational and abusive to the people, especially women. I hope you may acquire some morals someday despite your occupation. I’ll attach my full account in the near future and you’ll can interpret it.
Peace,
Azillyway
Peace,
Azillyway
also of note:
once the CHP had forced us off of the highway onto the shoulder, I witnessed one CHP car driving INTO THE SHOULDER WHILE BICYCLISTS WERE RIDING IN THE SHOULDER. What was the purpose of that? It would seem to be an attempt to injure somebody.
There should be police camera footage of EVERYTHING that happened, and when that comes out (subpeoned in court trial?) there will be an uproar.
Did anyone notice how the Eureka Times-Slander did not even mention the assaults by the CHP in their first article? Someone censored the story before it was printed. Either that or the reporter thought that it just wasn't news-worthy.
once the CHP had forced us off of the highway onto the shoulder, I witnessed one CHP car driving INTO THE SHOULDER WHILE BICYCLISTS WERE RIDING IN THE SHOULDER. What was the purpose of that? It would seem to be an attempt to injure somebody.
There should be police camera footage of EVERYTHING that happened, and when that comes out (subpeoned in court trial?) there will be an uproar.
Did anyone notice how the Eureka Times-Slander did not even mention the assaults by the CHP in their first article? Someone censored the story before it was printed. Either that or the reporter thought that it just wasn't news-worthy.
hi dears, anyone (esp. Kat, but anyone who was with the critical mass riders)--greenfuse is on deadline, printing monday nov 7, would love to talk with you, call either Paul or Kathy 923 4488; we'll be up late through the weekend and it is fine to call late..K
It's interesting that the Eureka Times-Standard will print any LIE that the CHP tells, and totally disregard numerous identical accounts of what happened by those who were attacked. Objective reporting? my ass!
The police officer who forced me to the ground felt it was necessary to perform a “nerve pressure point strike” on me, in an attempt to inflict unjustified pain without leaving a mark. The “mandibular angle pressure point control” that he used on me means that he shoved his thumb behind and under my ear, on a sensitive pressure point near my jaw. This method of control is known as “pain compliance”, and is used by the police to subdue someone who they believe is resisting arrest. This form of pain compliance is very effective in that it causes excruciating pain, so much pain that I couldn’t move. Which means I was unable to assist the officer by freeing up my arm that was pinned under me so that he could put handcuffs on.
The Critical Mass protest on Nov. 2 was part of the “World Can’t Wait” national day of protest against Bush’s war. I wasn’t all that fired up about protesting, but as a journalist I wanted to cover the event, and as a bicyclist I wanted to exercise my right to ride on roads paid for by taxpayer’s dollars, in a non-gas-guzzling fashion. Had I known I would be forcibly arrested for riding my bike, I probably would’ve stayed on campus, but hindsight is a bitch.
The CHP helicopter circling overhead should have raised warning flags, as well as the handful of police cruisers that was on the protesters’ tails as we entered Hwy 101, but the sun was shining, people were smiling, and motorists were carefully driving around the 35 or so peacefully pedaling protesters. Then it got ugly. Kat Zimmerman, who had organized the protest, was body-checked off of her bike by an officer. Her head smacked the ground, briefly knocking her out, and other bicyclists crashed into her, also injuring themselves. Sierra Barnes stopped to check on Zimmerman and was arrested.
The police then engaged in some cat-and-mouse tactics, forcing riders out of the bike lane and blocking traffic, which up until then had been moving smoothly, if not slowly. Police cruisers continued to roll by, and it seemed there was at least one cop for every protester. Eventually, a roadblock was put up by the police to try to trap the riders on the bridge into Eureka. Officers began directing bicyclists into the Target parking lot, cutting off our route to the federal building, where the rest of the peaceful protest was to take place. I complied with the officers waving us into the parking lot, where I was grabbed off my bike, forced to the ground, and underwent “pain compliance.”
Four females, all HSU students, were arrested that day, out of almost 40 protesters. Our 1st Amendment rights to organize, protest, and speak freely were violated, and a police state was created to suppress dissent. The cops may feel they won, and that order was restored and justice was served, but they neglected to take into account all the witnesses that saw the attacks, both on the freeway and in the Target parking lot. That’s alright, because we got it all on tape, motherf@#*ers.
The Critical Mass protest on Nov. 2 was part of the “World Can’t Wait” national day of protest against Bush’s war. I wasn’t all that fired up about protesting, but as a journalist I wanted to cover the event, and as a bicyclist I wanted to exercise my right to ride on roads paid for by taxpayer’s dollars, in a non-gas-guzzling fashion. Had I known I would be forcibly arrested for riding my bike, I probably would’ve stayed on campus, but hindsight is a bitch.
The CHP helicopter circling overhead should have raised warning flags, as well as the handful of police cruisers that was on the protesters’ tails as we entered Hwy 101, but the sun was shining, people were smiling, and motorists were carefully driving around the 35 or so peacefully pedaling protesters. Then it got ugly. Kat Zimmerman, who had organized the protest, was body-checked off of her bike by an officer. Her head smacked the ground, briefly knocking her out, and other bicyclists crashed into her, also injuring themselves. Sierra Barnes stopped to check on Zimmerman and was arrested.
The police then engaged in some cat-and-mouse tactics, forcing riders out of the bike lane and blocking traffic, which up until then had been moving smoothly, if not slowly. Police cruisers continued to roll by, and it seemed there was at least one cop for every protester. Eventually, a roadblock was put up by the police to try to trap the riders on the bridge into Eureka. Officers began directing bicyclists into the Target parking lot, cutting off our route to the federal building, where the rest of the peaceful protest was to take place. I complied with the officers waving us into the parking lot, where I was grabbed off my bike, forced to the ground, and underwent “pain compliance.”
Four females, all HSU students, were arrested that day, out of almost 40 protesters. Our 1st Amendment rights to organize, protest, and speak freely were violated, and a police state was created to suppress dissent. The cops may feel they won, and that order was restored and justice was served, but they neglected to take into account all the witnesses that saw the attacks, both on the freeway and in the Target parking lot. That’s alright, because we got it all on tape, motherf@#*ers.
Well said friend.
Yeah. Curious was right and wrong. Old Arcata Road would have been a horrible choice for the sake of you bikers and for the general driving population, and somebody damn sure would have been killed or hospitalized, and that would have sucked. But on the other hand, there's Samoa. It's that secondary road that isn't used nearl as much, people don't depend on it to get to/from work on their lunch breaks or whatever, and there's a hell of a bigger shoulder. I can say this with all certainty, having walked the length of both a few times over the years. Furthermore, I would think you Critical Massers would LOVE so-called "Police Brutality"; Not only does it give you something to bitch about and a bunch of fun little snapshots of people in police cruisers smiling for the camera, but you get a lot more attention, and you can all act even more like myrters than you already do. As to that cute pictures of that girl smiling in the back of a CHP cruiser : WAKE UP! This isn't a game, getting arrested isn't fun. It's something that can fuck up the whole rest of your life, and I ]know that a hell of a lot better than any of you do or ever will. It's not something you should take pride in, it's something you should try to avoid. Remember, you can't accomplish a whole hell of a lot for 'the cause' sitting in one of the dorms at HCCF (Humboldt County Correctional Facility). You people have it so fucking good here, and all you can do is complain. Be damn glad that you live someplace where you can get bikes, ride on (somewhat) well-maintained highways, disrupt people's lives, take police attention away from shit that really matters, and be bored enough with all your luxury that you have to think of a million things you can protest. In closing, it's voting day. Bitch about the system and changing it and taking it down all you want, just remember to do the one thing that can actually make a difference : vote. Don't care who it's for, the douche or the turd, but do it, don't just bitch that it won't make a difference. Think about what would have happened on '00 if all you whiney college brats had voted for Gore : things would be different, and you'd have to think of something else to bitch about!
To yet again quote Trey Parker : People have it good here in America. So good that they get bored easily, and when they get bored they have to think of something to protest.
To yet again quote Trey Parker : People have it good here in America. So good that they get bored easily, and when they get bored they have to think of something to protest.
what was she supposed to do? do you think she set out to get arrested? do you think she didn't vote for Gore? where the fuck do you get off telling people how they should react after being forcibly arrested? maybe she was smiling because she saw her mom nearby and wanted to communicate that she was o.k., although bruised and battered. and there weren't "claims" of police brutality--there WAS police brutality, witnessed firsthand. if you were there, your comments can help, especially if you file a complaint against the cops and get the police review board to check it out. also--the protesters never asked for the cops to be there, and if banks got robbed in Fortuna and rapists roamed the alleys in Eureka while the cops had a field day on Hwy 101 with a small group of bicyclists to the tune of $80,000 worth of taxpayers' money (the CHP helicopter flew in from Redding), that's the cops' fault.
The logic of the self-described "haters" falls into the classic pitfall of logic, "blaming the victim." Why shouldn't bicyclists be able to ride their bikes from Arcata to Eureka? Should bicyclists have to try to second-guess traffic or face a beating at the hands of the CHP under the surveillance of the outrageously expensive police helicopter? What makes these two haters believe that the ladies that were assaulted and detained WANTED to be assaulted and detained?
Oh well, haters will be haters.
Oh well, haters will be haters.
Humboldt County cops need to get a grip on yourselves. You bastards don't get your guns and privileges just to beat up on young women whose politics don't match yours. So glad you corrupt assholes keep shooting yourselves in the foot on video.
Looking forward to the lies and abuse of power will be revealed in investigations of the assault that occured during the Nov. 2 Arcata-Eureka Critical Mass.
Looking forward to the lies and abuse of power will be revealed in investigations of the assault that occured during the Nov. 2 Arcata-Eureka Critical Mass.
You are all so quick to point out the flaws of the men and women who put their lives on the line to protect assholes who don't even care (i.e. you lot) that you fail to claim your own shortcomings. Did you ever, at any point, think that perhaps you were wrong as well? Perhaps the police were not justified in their actions, but were you all acting as saints? My guess (hell, its not even a guess, i know what happened) is that no, you were not. Having seen many protests, and having been at the one in question, I can say that all of you are in no position to be pointing fingers. "You're violating our rights", it's something we hear all to often from you pseudo liberal pieces if shit, but do you have any idea of what you're talking about. 99% of the protesters at the event in question can better take a bong hit than they can articulate a cognitive statement concerning modern politics and human rights (no offence of course...damn i wish sarcasm were easier to express via computer, but then again it'd go over your heads anyway...). For the sake of space (which I seem to be short on) I'll say only this: Do you really think you're helping anything? Honestly, you all preach so much, refuse to let others have their say, and yet complain when you don't get yours, and spout off crap about police brutality when you and i both know that at the first sign of trouble, the police are going to be the first people you call. That said, the man holding the nonleathal FN gun in the picture at the top of the page (the intimidating bald man) is my father. I do not care what you say about me or my father, but please do not act as if you were innocent victims of random police violence. I was there, i saw "peaceful protesters" slam into the "brutish police officers", I saw protesters heckling police officers doing nothing other than attempting to do their job. I'd love to continue this, but alas, i haven't the time. So, all you hypocritic, uninformed, and ungrateful excuses of human life, I bid you farewell.
Have a fucking wonderful day,
Angry Person Who Will Probably Get a "Stern" Talking to About This From You Educated People
P.S. If you'd like to talk to me concerning my views, you can contact me at 60fucky0ur53|v35 [at] blowme.com.
Have a fucking wonderful day,
Angry Person Who Will Probably Get a "Stern" Talking to About This From You Educated People
P.S. If you'd like to talk to me concerning my views, you can contact me at 60fucky0ur53|v35 [at] blowme.com.
For more information:
http://www.fuckingmorons.com
glad to hear a young person with a voice, even if you are pissed at the "pseudo-liberals". I understand your impression that your dad was "just doing his job", but your dad pointed his big-ass gun at my mom and shoved her away when she was quietly asking the cops what was going on. Also, nobody's talking about "random police violence"--it wasn't random--the cops acted out a pattern they've repeated over and over, and targeted certain individuals to rough up. And I wasn't a "victim" of police brutality--I'm a survivor. You're right about the fact that if I find myself in a certain situation where I need certain help, I'll call the cops, but this was not that kind of situation. I know plenty of nice, good cops, but I was roughed up by one that wasn't. my beef is with him and the dept. that allows him to continue to behave like that when it wasn't at all appropriate. Hopefully your critical thinking skills continue to develop, independent of imposed influences...
Anonymous said...
Here is something funny pulled from the NCJ, Hank Sims Critial Mass story:
..."Moments later, one of the officers pointed a non-lethal machine gun-style weapon at Castle's mother..."
What the hell is that? A rubber band MG-42? Paintball marker?
9:56 AM
Anonymous said...
Oh, I meant to add that it seems everybody is going for drama, "far right", "Karl Rove Style Attacks", "Godzilla votes Mothra Platform" "Machine Gun Style"
Poor Form Hank Sims on that story. Maybe "Scary looking magic wand thingie" or how about "bullhorn" next time.
10:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Point taken. We do have a picture of the weapon in question in the story, but the vagaries of the printing process left it looking rather dark.
You can see a better picture of it here:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1780250.php
The reason I went for "non-lethal machine gun-style" is that I wasn't able to figure out what it was, exactly, by deadline. Some said it shot pepper spray, others rubber bullets. All I could figure out for sure is that it wasn't an actual bang-bang gun with bullets.
So: deadline is a harsh mistress and you do what you can -- but, like I said, point taken.
--Hank Sims
11:17 AM
Anonymous said...
Even looking at the really crappy picture, you can tell it's not a "machine gun"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun
Even if it was a SMG, it's still not a machine gun. Machine Guns are for the most part, crew served. But it looks to use CO2 pressure system like a Airsoft or a Paintball Marker (do not call them paintball guns, paintballers get pissed about that)
I'll look around and see what is it, or maybe it would be easier to call the CHP and ask them? You don't need to feed the anti-gunner more hype by saying cops are pointing machine guns at people's heads. Will you print a correction in next weeks paper?
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/ll_303.htm
Hell, that was quick!
FN 303
The Best in Less Lethal Response.
The FN 303 is designed to be the premier system for situations requiring a less lethal response. Completely dedicated to reducing lethality and liability, the basis of the FN 303 concept lies in its unique ammunition. The .68 caliber, 8.5 gram projectile utilizes a fin-stabilized polystyrene body and non-toxic bismuth forward payload to provide both better accuracy and greater effective range than other less lethal systems. The primary effect of the projectile is temporary, superficial trauma to help neutralize the aggressor. In addition, secondary effects from the projectiles can be delivered via a chemical payload depending on specific mission requirements. Magazines contain 15 rounds and have a clear rear cover to allow rapid ammunition payload verification. The compressed air-powered FN 303 launcher is designed to fire less lethal projectiles exclusively and has enough air capacity to launch 110 individual shots with an effective range of 50 meters at a point specific target. It is constructed from durable, lightweight polymer offering comfortable ergonomics and an easy to operate safety. Along with the flip-up iron sights is an integrated M1913 rail that can be used to mount red dot sights and other accessories. An undercarriage mount is also available for the M4 and M16 style tactical rifles.
12:54 PM
Anonymous said...
Took me all of two minutes to find out what it was.
12:56 PM
Anonymous said...
It took you all of two minutes because you know something about guns. You say "Even if it was an SMG" and "machine guns are usually crew served" -- I have no idea what any of that means.
No, I won't print a correction. I said it was a "non-lethal machine gun-style weapon" -- I didn't say it was a machine gun. It seems to me that with that admittedly awkward phrase, I am explicity saying that it is /not/ a machine gun.
And I didn't say anything about the EPD officer (not CHP) pointing it at anyone's head.
And with that, Anonymous, I sign off. I'm happy to stay and chat on this board as long as things stay civil, but I'm not going to get into a pissing match with a ghost.
--Hank Sims
1:15 PM
Anonymous said...
Thanks for your time Hank.
1:50 PM
Here is something funny pulled from the NCJ, Hank Sims Critial Mass story:
..."Moments later, one of the officers pointed a non-lethal machine gun-style weapon at Castle's mother..."
What the hell is that? A rubber band MG-42? Paintball marker?
9:56 AM
Anonymous said...
Oh, I meant to add that it seems everybody is going for drama, "far right", "Karl Rove Style Attacks", "Godzilla votes Mothra Platform" "Machine Gun Style"
Poor Form Hank Sims on that story. Maybe "Scary looking magic wand thingie" or how about "bullhorn" next time.
10:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Point taken. We do have a picture of the weapon in question in the story, but the vagaries of the printing process left it looking rather dark.
You can see a better picture of it here:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1780250.php
The reason I went for "non-lethal machine gun-style" is that I wasn't able to figure out what it was, exactly, by deadline. Some said it shot pepper spray, others rubber bullets. All I could figure out for sure is that it wasn't an actual bang-bang gun with bullets.
So: deadline is a harsh mistress and you do what you can -- but, like I said, point taken.
--Hank Sims
11:17 AM
Anonymous said...
Even looking at the really crappy picture, you can tell it's not a "machine gun"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun
Even if it was a SMG, it's still not a machine gun. Machine Guns are for the most part, crew served. But it looks to use CO2 pressure system like a Airsoft or a Paintball Marker (do not call them paintball guns, paintballers get pissed about that)
I'll look around and see what is it, or maybe it would be easier to call the CHP and ask them? You don't need to feed the anti-gunner more hype by saying cops are pointing machine guns at people's heads. Will you print a correction in next weeks paper?
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/ll_303.htm
Hell, that was quick!
FN 303
The Best in Less Lethal Response.
The FN 303 is designed to be the premier system for situations requiring a less lethal response. Completely dedicated to reducing lethality and liability, the basis of the FN 303 concept lies in its unique ammunition. The .68 caliber, 8.5 gram projectile utilizes a fin-stabilized polystyrene body and non-toxic bismuth forward payload to provide both better accuracy and greater effective range than other less lethal systems. The primary effect of the projectile is temporary, superficial trauma to help neutralize the aggressor. In addition, secondary effects from the projectiles can be delivered via a chemical payload depending on specific mission requirements. Magazines contain 15 rounds and have a clear rear cover to allow rapid ammunition payload verification. The compressed air-powered FN 303 launcher is designed to fire less lethal projectiles exclusively and has enough air capacity to launch 110 individual shots with an effective range of 50 meters at a point specific target. It is constructed from durable, lightweight polymer offering comfortable ergonomics and an easy to operate safety. Along with the flip-up iron sights is an integrated M1913 rail that can be used to mount red dot sights and other accessories. An undercarriage mount is also available for the M4 and M16 style tactical rifles.
12:54 PM
Anonymous said...
Took me all of two minutes to find out what it was.
12:56 PM
Anonymous said...
It took you all of two minutes because you know something about guns. You say "Even if it was an SMG" and "machine guns are usually crew served" -- I have no idea what any of that means.
No, I won't print a correction. I said it was a "non-lethal machine gun-style weapon" -- I didn't say it was a machine gun. It seems to me that with that admittedly awkward phrase, I am explicity saying that it is /not/ a machine gun.
And I didn't say anything about the EPD officer (not CHP) pointing it at anyone's head.
And with that, Anonymous, I sign off. I'm happy to stay and chat on this board as long as things stay civil, but I'm not going to get into a pissing match with a ghost.
--Hank Sims
1:15 PM
Anonymous said...
Thanks for your time Hank.
1:50 PM
http://northcoastjournal.com/111005/news1110.html#news
Getting news reports off here and then running them in the paper like they are real, isn't the best deal guys.
Getting news reports off here and then running them in the paper like they are real, isn't the best deal guys.
Freerider, it wasn't my impression that he was "just doing his job", it iwas cold, hard fact. The pain compliance holds, the less than leathal weaponry (thanks for the correction), and even the intimidating "look" are all tools used by all of the EPD officers (as well as officers around the nation) in their daily "brutality". For the record, the police were sent there to protect you protesters from the public, not vice versa, but as usual, a number of you overreacted and well here we are... I haven't the time, nor the urge to respond in full at the moment, but what i will say it this: I'm sorry about what happened to you at the rally, but do not point fingers and say what was and wasn't required when you only know half of the story.
I was there on the ride, I saw what happened, and I don't think that you, son of bald cop with big "not-as-lethal" gun, were. The CHP officer Randy Price VIOLENTLY ATTACKED Katherine Zimmerman as she tried to avoid him, inflicting very serious injuries on her. This happened NOT at the Target parking lot, but earlier on the highway. Additionally it should be noted that the bicycle riders allowed traffic to flow in one lane and even got completely off of the road at one point to allow traffic to flow. Unfortunatley, the CHP SHUT DOWN TRAFFIC ENTIRELY so that they could attack us. Yet it is the cicycle riders (who have a right to use the roads) who are blamed in the media for stopping traffic and even "battering" a police officer.
By the way, I do NOT call the police to help out with my problems. If there was a large housefire I would call 911, but I can pretty much always expect that the punitive attitude of the police make most situations worse.
Do we really refuse to let others have their say? That's just nonsense! The rich and powerful own the airwaves and the mass-produced print-media, not to mention all of the politicians and upper-cholon of the law enforcement agencies. C'mon kid. Open your eyes. Do a little reading - maybe some American history. Try "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" on for size, or "People's History of the United States," or "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" - which you can find for free on the internet (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html).
Maybe you should go to Humboldt State University's Humboldt Room at the library and read up some of Jack Norton's accounts of local history (Genocide in Northwestern California: When Our Worlds Cried. San Francisco: Indian Historian Press. Reprinted in 1997 with prologue, epilogue and index).
Just curious, do you and your dad think that we have a right to be agiasnt the war? do we have the right to express these views? Do we have the right to ride our bicycles on the public roads that our tax-dollars payed for (without getting beaten up, arrested, intimidated)? What do you plan on doing for a living? Beating up non-violent demonstrators protesting corporate crimes against humantiy and the living planet? Will you be a henchman of the criminal power-elite (who, by the way, don't give a fuck about you or your dad)?
I don't hate your dad. I just wish he wouldn't participate in uneccisarrily hurting nice girls trying to make a positive difference in the world.
By the way, I do NOT call the police to help out with my problems. If there was a large housefire I would call 911, but I can pretty much always expect that the punitive attitude of the police make most situations worse.
Do we really refuse to let others have their say? That's just nonsense! The rich and powerful own the airwaves and the mass-produced print-media, not to mention all of the politicians and upper-cholon of the law enforcement agencies. C'mon kid. Open your eyes. Do a little reading - maybe some American history. Try "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" on for size, or "People's History of the United States," or "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" - which you can find for free on the internet (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html).
Maybe you should go to Humboldt State University's Humboldt Room at the library and read up some of Jack Norton's accounts of local history (Genocide in Northwestern California: When Our Worlds Cried. San Francisco: Indian Historian Press. Reprinted in 1997 with prologue, epilogue and index).
Just curious, do you and your dad think that we have a right to be agiasnt the war? do we have the right to express these views? Do we have the right to ride our bicycles on the public roads that our tax-dollars payed for (without getting beaten up, arrested, intimidated)? What do you plan on doing for a living? Beating up non-violent demonstrators protesting corporate crimes against humantiy and the living planet? Will you be a henchman of the criminal power-elite (who, by the way, don't give a fuck about you or your dad)?
I don't hate your dad. I just wish he wouldn't participate in uneccisarrily hurting nice girls trying to make a positive difference in the world.
You have to be kidding me Arcata Rider, grow up, start living in the real world. I'm sure you are completely BIAS FREE, oh wait, you admit to pretty much hating police officers, and would never lie about anything to bring "the man" down now would you Arcata Rider?
This website should be renamed "We hate police, until we are getting raped, then they should have done something first" dot fucking com.
This website should be renamed "We hate police, until we are getting raped, then they should have done something first" dot fucking com.
The first picture says it all, what is it's name again?
Oh yeah "PIG"
Good job people, don't let your bias get in the way of any facts.
Oh yeah "PIG"
Good job people, don't let your bias get in the way of any facts.
The word in Arcata is that videos of the November 2nd CM activites will be shown at Humboldt State University in the near future. Informed sources say that local press releases will publish the date and time of the viewing of the videos.
Hopefully, the showing of actual video footage will end the speculation and hyperbole of what happened.
Hopefully, the showing of actual video footage will end the speculation and hyperbole of what happened.
Not to say that the local CM people are untrustworthy or not, but are you sure to get a unedited tape? I do enjoy how everyone is equal, but making a big deal out of females getting jailed. Just because they (maybe) pee sitting down doesn't mean they get special treatment.
I'd also like to know more about this "blacking out" bit. How does she know that she blacked out? But how can she prove that she did? And she wasn't riding with a helmet? On the freeway? That isn't very safe now is it?
I'd also like to know more about this "blacking out" bit. How does she know that she blacked out? But how can she prove that she did? And she wasn't riding with a helmet? On the freeway? That isn't very safe now is it?
In response to my challenges to those who would defend the CHP attack and injury of bicycle riders I have recieved hatred and accusations of being biased (I actually witnessed the assault and don't feel obligated to consider the CHP's lies about what happened as truth), but no real response of substance.
Why the insistance of the cops as hero figures? Maybe your father is a good father, but if he commits a crime, then he is responsible for his actions, just like everybody else. By the way, I imagine that the police get very few calls from people who are being raped WHILE they are being raped. In fact, the record for how the police treat rape reports isn't too good either.
As for "hating police officers", you seem to have mis-read my comment. I do not hate police officers, but it does make me angry when they do things that are wrong and hurt people. See http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1782369.php
Why the insistance of the cops as hero figures? Maybe your father is a good father, but if he commits a crime, then he is responsible for his actions, just like everybody else. By the way, I imagine that the police get very few calls from people who are being raped WHILE they are being raped. In fact, the record for how the police treat rape reports isn't too good either.
As for "hating police officers", you seem to have mis-read my comment. I do not hate police officers, but it does make me angry when they do things that are wrong and hurt people. See http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1782369.php
You are so full of hate you keep double posting out of anger. Why don't you go out and ride your bike today in this wonderful rain and cool off AND soak your head.
You are so full of hate and anger.
You are so full of hate and anger.
Yes, it is true. It can be VERY enjoyable to ride a bicycle in the rain.
Well, I think this discussion is a little off topic. I agree that there is too much hate-on both sides. That was the point of this whole ordeal-- stop the hate, injustice, and destruction of our world. Granted there was not much accomplished along this agenda on November 2nd, we ALL can/must learn from this. The PURPOSE of this act of disobedience (yes we all knew we were risking our own asses for this), was to make a desperate cry to the ignorant, uninformed, and/or disbelievers that OUR WORLD IS GOING TO HELL: we are eliminating species before we even discover them, we are consuming resources faster than they can be replenished, we are making even more humans while millions starve, and our government keeps us scared “from the threat of terrorism” so we overlook the real problems in our society. I have italicized ‘we, us, and our’ because it is US. The U.S. is about 5% of the world’s population and we consume 25-40% of the resources depending on the source (of data) and the given resource. IT IS OUR FUCKING PROBLEM. Yes, we have it good-real fucking good, but that’s only because WE HAVE FUCKING SLAVES overseas who sweat their 12-year-old tears day in and day out to glue my fucking shoes together!! Yes, we have it good- but what about our fucking children, their children, and so on. Where are they going to get clean water to drink, fresh air to breathe, and the joy of eating their first-caught fish without risking being poisoned from Mercury from the smokestack upwind?
To the defensive, omniscient, and hateful Humboldt High School Student- you write very well for being a high-school student...and I bet you can take a fat bong-rip yourself. (damn i wish sarcasm were easier to express via computer, but then again it'd go over your head anyway...). I won’t drop to your level (although I would like to) and presume I know your personal pastimes; stereotype you for the red-neck attitude you got; generalize your morals based on those your father represents; or judge you for your political viewpoints. However, I will say you are ignorant and egotistical, but it’s okay because that’s the norm in our Western culture. Maybe you should think about that term for a little bit (Western culture)-maybe do some reading on the internet or something and figure out what our culture is. Ever wonder where your clothes come from? NO- not Target!! Where is the cotton grown? What amount of pesticides and fertilizers were poured over the soil to make the ground expel that cotton? Where was the oil drilled to transport that cotton across the globe to be made into a t-shirt then transported back across the globe? How many innocent lives have been given for the control and production of that oil? Do you begin to understand where we are coming from? -or have I not breached your barrier of greed into you insular, bigoted, uneducated mind?
Sure, you don’t see the impacts of these things because the globalization of our local markets has eliminated our connection to the land. Humboldt county is better off than most of the country (and world), but we cannot pretend that we are separate from the rest of the Earth and its inhabitants because we are not- WE ARE ONE. If you still don’t listen to any of us “[educated] pseudo liberal pieces if shit” and our science, it’s okay, natural selection is on our side. Haha!!! We got brains….
The point is that we can argue for all eternity about what our differences are, but we are going nowhere until we start working on what we all have in common in order to continue to thrive as a species and individuals. That my friend is this crazy journey I call “LIFE”- I recommend y’all try it someday, and then you can begin to understand why you’re so damn unhappy!!! Furthermore, although I am an advocate/activist for all this mumbo-jumbo of sustainable living and land ethics, I still can understand some of our weaknesses in this whole movement; we are not trying to make friends, but creating new and angrier enemies. Polarizing the situation further is not going to help anybody or anything. We need to be vocal, loud, and persistent. WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED. However, let’s not be so noisy that other people can’t hear or be heard. We are all in this together, and we can either kill ourselves off, or work together to figure out how to LIVE… before it’s too late…
THE WORLD CAN’T WAIT
Act Now!!!
To the defensive, omniscient, and hateful Humboldt High School Student- you write very well for being a high-school student...and I bet you can take a fat bong-rip yourself. (damn i wish sarcasm were easier to express via computer, but then again it'd go over your head anyway...). I won’t drop to your level (although I would like to) and presume I know your personal pastimes; stereotype you for the red-neck attitude you got; generalize your morals based on those your father represents; or judge you for your political viewpoints. However, I will say you are ignorant and egotistical, but it’s okay because that’s the norm in our Western culture. Maybe you should think about that term for a little bit (Western culture)-maybe do some reading on the internet or something and figure out what our culture is. Ever wonder where your clothes come from? NO- not Target!! Where is the cotton grown? What amount of pesticides and fertilizers were poured over the soil to make the ground expel that cotton? Where was the oil drilled to transport that cotton across the globe to be made into a t-shirt then transported back across the globe? How many innocent lives have been given for the control and production of that oil? Do you begin to understand where we are coming from? -or have I not breached your barrier of greed into you insular, bigoted, uneducated mind?
Sure, you don’t see the impacts of these things because the globalization of our local markets has eliminated our connection to the land. Humboldt county is better off than most of the country (and world), but we cannot pretend that we are separate from the rest of the Earth and its inhabitants because we are not- WE ARE ONE. If you still don’t listen to any of us “[educated] pseudo liberal pieces if shit” and our science, it’s okay, natural selection is on our side. Haha!!! We got brains….
The point is that we can argue for all eternity about what our differences are, but we are going nowhere until we start working on what we all have in common in order to continue to thrive as a species and individuals. That my friend is this crazy journey I call “LIFE”- I recommend y’all try it someday, and then you can begin to understand why you’re so damn unhappy!!! Furthermore, although I am an advocate/activist for all this mumbo-jumbo of sustainable living and land ethics, I still can understand some of our weaknesses in this whole movement; we are not trying to make friends, but creating new and angrier enemies. Polarizing the situation further is not going to help anybody or anything. We need to be vocal, loud, and persistent. WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED. However, let’s not be so noisy that other people can’t hear or be heard. We are all in this together, and we can either kill ourselves off, or work together to figure out how to LIVE… before it’s too late…
THE WORLD CAN’T WAIT
Act Now!!!
Claiming to want peace while insulting people, their life, and making up utter lies (you do know the slave issue was a lie right?) is not going to get you any points. Please tell me how riding in the middle of freeway traffic is going to make me think of poor staving children overseas? It isn't. It is however going to upset people who may have at one time followed your ideas, but don't want to be grouped in with a bunch of self-centered jerks who play at fixing the World, but really are only holding up traffic, nothing more. I've put my bicycle away for awhile because I don't want to ride on the road because I don't want anybody thinking I support you, or your ideas.
If you want to change the World, you better start with yourself, and most of you people were riding newer bicycles, made overseas, in sweatshops. So much for your "message" You need to take a look into the mirror, take a deep breathe, and go, "I am part of the problem, not part of the solution."
If you want to change the World, you better start with yourself, and most of you people were riding newer bicycles, made overseas, in sweatshops. So much for your "message" You need to take a look into the mirror, take a deep breathe, and go, "I am part of the problem, not part of the solution."
1. Yes I am egotistical, ignorant, and perhaps a little biased, but no more than the rest of the world.
2. My beliefs are my own, i formed them, they are from my experiences (which, although i am young, I feel are greater in number than most older people, I've been through some shit, lets just say that), and my father has no influence what so ever, in fact i disagree with a lot of what he says and does.
3. Perhaps the bong comment was a bit out of place and i apologize, but "stooping to my level", please, you as a group (not you individually) went way beyond that with comments such as "Fucking pigs" and "Red-neck". "Red-neck" insinuates that I am an uneducated country bumpkin, which, although in a manner in which i now feel i should have rephrased, i have proven is not true.
4. Who are you to say where i was and wasn't? How am i sure that you were where you say you were?
5. Biased though i may be (however slightly, i try to take the most open minded stance in life), my opinion is no less valid than yours (which is also biased might i add). My words are my own, and if you don't agree with them, well then hell, ridicule them, spit on them, go cry to your mother, i don't care, it won't change my view, and you shouldn't let that get to you. You are entitled to your own opinion on the matter, just as I am, and rest assured if i feel something needs to be said I will say it no matter the results.
6.I do not have a problem with protesters, the Women in Black for instance get their point across very well, and they do it in a matter that doesn't piss people off (i.e. blocking traffic on a very busy stretch of road).
7. As to your comment about my ability to take a bong hit, I'm sure I can take one with the best of them, but truth be told, i have never, and will never smoke, inject, snort, or in anyway shape or form put any thing like the marijuana in question into my body.
8. Theres another protest this coming Friday, lets hope it turns out better, and isn't marred by this "police brutality" bullshit.
9.As to where my clothes come from, currently i'm wearing pants from Mexico, shoes from Korea, a t-shirt from India, and a sweatshirt from Vietnam. Yes the working conditions are horrible in SOME cases, but in my current position there isn't much i can do outside of making my own clothes, which i haven't the time to do.
10. My western attitude exists because I am fortunate enough to live in a country which allows me to be the person i am. I am aware of how good I have it here in the USA, and i am aware of how things are for people living elsewhere in the world, so do not think for one moment that i take what i have been so fortunate recieve for granted.
11. Thank you for the comment about my writing, I appreciate it.
12. To the person who said something along the lines of "Damn Pigs", i have this to say: I hope someone mugs you, because who do you think you're going to call? Hint, it's not your dealer (sorry again, but it seemed oddly appropriate in this case...I can't for the life of me figure out why...)
~HHSS~
I'm sure I'll get negative responses to this...
2. My beliefs are my own, i formed them, they are from my experiences (which, although i am young, I feel are greater in number than most older people, I've been through some shit, lets just say that), and my father has no influence what so ever, in fact i disagree with a lot of what he says and does.
3. Perhaps the bong comment was a bit out of place and i apologize, but "stooping to my level", please, you as a group (not you individually) went way beyond that with comments such as "Fucking pigs" and "Red-neck". "Red-neck" insinuates that I am an uneducated country bumpkin, which, although in a manner in which i now feel i should have rephrased, i have proven is not true.
4. Who are you to say where i was and wasn't? How am i sure that you were where you say you were?
5. Biased though i may be (however slightly, i try to take the most open minded stance in life), my opinion is no less valid than yours (which is also biased might i add). My words are my own, and if you don't agree with them, well then hell, ridicule them, spit on them, go cry to your mother, i don't care, it won't change my view, and you shouldn't let that get to you. You are entitled to your own opinion on the matter, just as I am, and rest assured if i feel something needs to be said I will say it no matter the results.
6.I do not have a problem with protesters, the Women in Black for instance get their point across very well, and they do it in a matter that doesn't piss people off (i.e. blocking traffic on a very busy stretch of road).
7. As to your comment about my ability to take a bong hit, I'm sure I can take one with the best of them, but truth be told, i have never, and will never smoke, inject, snort, or in anyway shape or form put any thing like the marijuana in question into my body.
8. Theres another protest this coming Friday, lets hope it turns out better, and isn't marred by this "police brutality" bullshit.
9.As to where my clothes come from, currently i'm wearing pants from Mexico, shoes from Korea, a t-shirt from India, and a sweatshirt from Vietnam. Yes the working conditions are horrible in SOME cases, but in my current position there isn't much i can do outside of making my own clothes, which i haven't the time to do.
10. My western attitude exists because I am fortunate enough to live in a country which allows me to be the person i am. I am aware of how good I have it here in the USA, and i am aware of how things are for people living elsewhere in the world, so do not think for one moment that i take what i have been so fortunate recieve for granted.
11. Thank you for the comment about my writing, I appreciate it.
12. To the person who said something along the lines of "Damn Pigs", i have this to say: I hope someone mugs you, because who do you think you're going to call? Hint, it's not your dealer (sorry again, but it seemed oddly appropriate in this case...I can't for the life of me figure out why...)
~HHSS~
I'm sure I'll get negative responses to this...
I have read all of the books you listed, and I am fairly well versed (there goes my claim to modesty) in both American and world history. I make no claims to know or understand everything, i was just posting my opinion on the matter (read my previous post...). As for the "kid" comment, I'm not even going to discuss it, suffice to say age bears no relevance in this discussion...
The latest news is that a video of the November 2nd Critical Mass ride will be shown at Humboldt State University in Founders Hall, room 118 (the theater) Thursday Nov. 17, at 9:00 pm.
I understand that the California Highway Patrol has their own video footage but I don't know when it can be shown to the public.
I understand that the California Highway Patrol has their own video footage but I don't know when it can be shown to the public.
I apologize for the comments I made about your personal life and personality, but I said nothing worse than you. To the Truth- don't be afraid of being judged because you ride your bike- like you said, start with yourself. I may claim to more than I actually do, I am young myself, but I know enough to realize that we can not sustain this large of a population with our current rate of resource consumption. Don’t believe me if you want, but it is widely accepted among the scientific community. I never claimed that I was not biased; I tend to lean to the left, but that doesn’t work for everybody which is fine with me. I just want people to stop pretending we are isolated from the rest of the world. We are not secluded, and if you read just a few of the other stories on this website, you will begin to see that the rest of world is restless-look at Paris…
Yes, I agree that the critical mass blocking the highway was not the best way to get the message across because no one even knew what it was about, and it did not happen as glamorously as everybody hoped. Furthermore, like I said before, it polarized the situation even more. We just pissed off a bunch of people which may have been some people’s agenda, but it’s not going to solve anything. However, it was escalated into a more dangerous situation by CHP, and I think they could have handled the situation in a more professional manner.
My slave comment was both true and false. They are not slaves as they were in U.S. history, but metaphorically speaking, they make our commodities at a wage that can barely feed their families. Yes, we can’t solve that by riding our bikes on a highway, but it has instigated a stimulating discussion in which these issues have been addressed. I don’t have the answers to the world’s problems, but I think that if everybody worked together, instead of against one another, we could figure out how we all can live together for generations to come. We just need to start listening (if we had listened to CHP’s warnings, none of this would have happened), but everybody needs to start listening to the scientists who warn of awaiting catastrophe.
I am proud to be American and consider myself extremely lucky to be who and where I am. I love this country and its people, and would pick up a gun to defend it if I felt it was threatened (which it is becoming more of every day). I respect police officers (unless they tackle women off bikes), and have known many just cops who do their job serving the community. I don’t take my life or anything I have for granted because I know I have things better than 95% of the world, but that is what disturbs me. I do a lot to minimize my impact and try to make other’s lives better, and I know I could always do more, but so could you. Yes, I am part of the problem, but at least I admit it and make conscious decisions to help change that, and even if I did “fix” my life, what about everybody else? You would just call me a dirty hippie and strive to be different in every way than me. I enjoy the luxuries we have, but there are more sustainable ways of doing things- the technology is out there, but the policies don’t encourage change.
I don’t appreciate being insulted, but this time I won’t return the favor. I apologize to hold you up in traffic (although CHP should apologize as well because they stopped it for longer than we did). Hate me if you will for being a concerned citizen of planet Earth, that’s your problem. I’m going to continue being happy enjoying this crazy journey of life, and do everything I can to help others do the same. I hope you join the boat…
Peace
Yes, I agree that the critical mass blocking the highway was not the best way to get the message across because no one even knew what it was about, and it did not happen as glamorously as everybody hoped. Furthermore, like I said before, it polarized the situation even more. We just pissed off a bunch of people which may have been some people’s agenda, but it’s not going to solve anything. However, it was escalated into a more dangerous situation by CHP, and I think they could have handled the situation in a more professional manner.
My slave comment was both true and false. They are not slaves as they were in U.S. history, but metaphorically speaking, they make our commodities at a wage that can barely feed their families. Yes, we can’t solve that by riding our bikes on a highway, but it has instigated a stimulating discussion in which these issues have been addressed. I don’t have the answers to the world’s problems, but I think that if everybody worked together, instead of against one another, we could figure out how we all can live together for generations to come. We just need to start listening (if we had listened to CHP’s warnings, none of this would have happened), but everybody needs to start listening to the scientists who warn of awaiting catastrophe.
I am proud to be American and consider myself extremely lucky to be who and where I am. I love this country and its people, and would pick up a gun to defend it if I felt it was threatened (which it is becoming more of every day). I respect police officers (unless they tackle women off bikes), and have known many just cops who do their job serving the community. I don’t take my life or anything I have for granted because I know I have things better than 95% of the world, but that is what disturbs me. I do a lot to minimize my impact and try to make other’s lives better, and I know I could always do more, but so could you. Yes, I am part of the problem, but at least I admit it and make conscious decisions to help change that, and even if I did “fix” my life, what about everybody else? You would just call me a dirty hippie and strive to be different in every way than me. I enjoy the luxuries we have, but there are more sustainable ways of doing things- the technology is out there, but the policies don’t encourage change.
I don’t appreciate being insulted, but this time I won’t return the favor. I apologize to hold you up in traffic (although CHP should apologize as well because they stopped it for longer than we did). Hate me if you will for being a concerned citizen of planet Earth, that’s your problem. I’m going to continue being happy enjoying this crazy journey of life, and do everything I can to help others do the same. I hope you join the boat…
Peace
Just wanted to give a shout out to all the beautiful people who showed up to bear witness to the film footage of the wrongful arrests that happened on Nov. 2, and to offer my support to all the free riders out there who will be riding today--all power to the peaceful!
Wow, what a surprising bunch of hate spewing from the bowls of indybay...how is it that one high school student (and apparently the son of the militarized police officer) can take the discussion to such lows? I had to take a little time out to simmer so I wouldn't continue the downward spiral (which I recommend for everyone, because we don't need to perpetuate immature attacks...even if it's ever-so-tempting). I have to start with the remark of "Stuck in Traffic," which was "you got exactly what you deserved." The facts are that the critical mass riders were in violation of an infracture "violating the minumum speed law" and possibly a misdemeanor "disobeying an officer's order" charge. It's important to note that the penalty of these charges should come in the form of a ticket. However, that was not the intention that the police came with that day. The CHP helicopter was flying the HSU students at the free speech area on campus, while they were simply exercizing their right to free speech. CHP police told reporters that they were informed of the protestors by the Arcata police (when the students were marching to the plaza). However, police unfortunatley lie often, and the low-circling CHP helicopter at HSU is proof to that testament. Nobody has a concrete number, but it is safe to say that tens of thousands of dollars were used that day and local police have confirmed that they called federal agents. Let us revisit the laws broken: Infracture: "min. speed violation" & misdemeanor: "disobeying an officer's order." However, you wouldn't know that those were the laws broken if you would have seen the police force that day (maybe that's why Target put out the lie that someone was brandishing a shotgun). When you see something looking like a military massing to take down 40 cyclists breaking a couple traffic laws...well, then it's safe to say you're living in a police state.
Free Thinker, don't take offense to this, but fuck off. I did not bring the discussion to "such lows", that was a group effort. I don't hate the protestors or their message, I hate the way they went about it, and the fact that most are trying to act as if they were completely innocent. As I've said in previous posts, perhaps the police were not justified in their actions, but the protestors weren't exactly saints either. As to you simmering down, again, as I've said before, if you don't like my views, then by all means ridicule them, spit on them, etc. I don't care. Tell, please, what was it that I said that angered you? Was it the fact that I presented the other side of a previously onesided story? You all talk about how everyone is blind to the truth, when you yourselves are in fact blind to the facts.
On a completely diffent note, my statement in my first post about how "you don't let others voice their opinion, but complain when you don't get your say" has been proven. At the second protest, there was a woman who was protesting the protest. And did you lot give her the respect that you feel you're all entitled to as protestors? No, she was ridiculed and chased away. For what? Nothing other than the fact that her views conflicted with those of the other protestors. I'd elaborate more, but I'm sure I'll just get called a hatemonger. Longstory short, you're wrong, I'm wrong, we're all wrong, deal with it.
On a completely diffent note, my statement in my first post about how "you don't let others voice their opinion, but complain when you don't get your say" has been proven. At the second protest, there was a woman who was protesting the protest. And did you lot give her the respect that you feel you're all entitled to as protestors? No, she was ridiculed and chased away. For what? Nothing other than the fact that her views conflicted with those of the other protestors. I'd elaborate more, but I'm sure I'll just get called a hatemonger. Longstory short, you're wrong, I'm wrong, we're all wrong, deal with it.
there's alot of back and forth going on about the November 2nd happenings in Arcata/Eureka...my view is that of an outsider (kauai, Hawaii)..yet the issue is close to home...my twin/soul/sis was one of the uppity intelligent women yanked off her bike and treated unfairly...this isn't all just about hate or freedom or truth...these issues have alot to do with our basic rights as sentient beings (not just humans or Americans)...if some strange dude knocks me down and terrorizes me with the threat of violence, my natural instinct is to GET AWAY...right? So whether or not my grrl was in the right (you go, mz. lucy...ride on) or "just trying to do my job" police officer was wrong isn't as important as remembering our inherent God(dess) given birthright to be FREE... nobody can take it from you..and the only thing we have to fear is fear itself...and when a bunch of folks get together on bikes preaching peace and truth...you can bet the current U.S. is afraid...I'm not...I'm free.
the pigs are out -numbered themselves and well organized - someday are we gonna ignore burning police cars? EPDs "supercop" likes to whip up his jujitsu pain compliance tactics on the free people of eureka! these bad cops are also territorial-what blocks do they own?iam a free person of eureka and Chuck D says...Fuck The Police! you too-officer wayne cox and all you other crooked EPD cops.shine your boots....
Ive been reading this back and forth hate between the cops kid and the riders. I think both sides bring valid points. Yes, in this country we do have many rights others beg for every day. But when you are given a seed, you must nuture it, help it to grow, empower it, until that seed of freedom blossems. The riders, the protesters are nurturers, just as the Humb. County student is. We all make mistakes, the police and the protesters, in their current state of emotion, probably made many that day. The protesters must accept blame for causing some problems for travelers, but the police must accept that they acted in a brutal fashion and caused much harm.
to humboldt high student-
if we had our say a long time ago none of this mess would have happend. The fact remains- the American public is left out of this "democracy". When my like-minded fellows (scientists) speak their minds, they are silenced by the gov't. "Based on best available science" my ass. We are all going to hell- I'll see you there...unless people start listening to us. The world is overpopulated, the oil is running out, and we don't have a plan- you got one?
I know I'm a little off topic, but it comes down to the fact that the way we live HAS TO CHANGE- whether we make it easy or hard is up to us...
Thanks for making this discussion-it WOULD have been one sided without your input. That is why I think this discussion is one of the most important things to come of this. We see your side and you see our side. It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong cuz like you said we're all wrong. My ideas don't work for you and yours not for me, but we must realize WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and we must continue to worl towards a better future for you, me, and the hungry people in Africa.
All respects to you and your father, I just hope you guys catch on to this whole deal of 'respect'.
'll listen if you do...
Peace
if we had our say a long time ago none of this mess would have happend. The fact remains- the American public is left out of this "democracy". When my like-minded fellows (scientists) speak their minds, they are silenced by the gov't. "Based on best available science" my ass. We are all going to hell- I'll see you there...unless people start listening to us. The world is overpopulated, the oil is running out, and we don't have a plan- you got one?
I know I'm a little off topic, but it comes down to the fact that the way we live HAS TO CHANGE- whether we make it easy or hard is up to us...
Thanks for making this discussion-it WOULD have been one sided without your input. That is why I think this discussion is one of the most important things to come of this. We see your side and you see our side. It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong cuz like you said we're all wrong. My ideas don't work for you and yours not for me, but we must realize WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and we must continue to worl towards a better future for you, me, and the hungry people in Africa.
All respects to you and your father, I just hope you guys catch on to this whole deal of 'respect'.
'll listen if you do...
Peace
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